[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tom

You ought to let go on your own straws then.

Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind

Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants

Industry knowledge is always refutable.

What pharmacological facts?

Do you have any black and white proof?

Type in mephedrone into google and find one reputable source for its use as plant food, not just some site selling it claiming it to be plant food. Most of which incidentally also sell other legal highs under various other disguises.

Find one gardening site that advocates its use.

You wont, because its a ploy by the manufacturers to get round drugs laws and food laws, the gardening Industry does not have a regulatory body, therefore anyone can call anything plant food, Health and Safety and COSHH govern removals from sale.

The duck you are talking about doesnt quack nor does it float on water in fact its a yellow brick, sorry to burst your balloon.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

You ought to let go on your own straws then.

Common sense doesn't always stand for proof, and in the case of this its not in your favour anyway. 'If it looks like a duck, then its a duck' springs to mind

Is your experience taking the drug or attempting to use it as plant feed? You've denied taking it, and I doubt you've made any attempt to use it on plants

Industry knowledge is always refutable.

What pharmacological facts?

Do you have any black and white proof?

My experience is seeing others use it, as well as knowing people who work in head shops and who deal in research chemicals.

I have already given you pharmacological facts. The drug is classed as a stimulant of the human central nervous system. It's synthesis involves adding 4-methylpropiophenone to bromine, a lot of tinkering I won't bore you with, and adding methylamine hydrochloride and triethylamine. From the ground up it's synthesis is intended to produce a drug of the phenethylamine, amphetamine, and cathinone variety.

It is a drug that targets the brains neurotransmitter Dopmine. That's what it was designed for. Plants don't have dopamine receptors or neurotransmitters, or any possible faculty that Mephedrone could attack in order to stimulate it's growth.

In addition, Mephedrone is not contained in any true plant product. Mephedrone is not sold in any legit gardening store. A search for Mephedrone on Google delivers 1,200,000 results. None discussing it's virtues as plant feeder. If it's discussed on a forum, it's a drug forum. Not a gardening forum. Wikipedia mentions nothing of it ever being used as a plant growth accelerant. Nor does Drugs Forum. Nor does Erowid. Nor does any other trusted drug website.

In addition, it's simply not up to me to prove a negative. It's like me asking you for proof that chopping up a carrot, feeding it to your dog, collecting the shit and smearing it on your face won't prevent lung cancer. If the onus is anyone to deliver proof, it's you.

So far, as accomodating as I have been with my arguments, you have not returned the favour. Your only source is watching a nameless news broadcast. The same news channel that was misguided just like you were as to the correct application of Mephedrone. It would be far from the first time a news channel has gotten the wrong end of the stick with relation to legal highs.

Mephedrone is a young chemical, synthesized by cladestine chemists with the sole purpose of getting you high. If it were to be used as plant food primarily, with the additional possible benefit of being able to use it as a psychotropic drug, it would be for sale in gardening stores. People would use it to accelerate plant growth. It would be produced by legit, contactable companies who would feel no need to work in such a cloak and dagger fashion. But none of this is the case.

Why? Because Mephedrone cannot be used as fucking plant food.

[xDramatick]

Eh, personally I don't do anything so no, I haven't, but I know a lot of people who have.

[Tom]

Using long words to make yourself sound credible and talking about watching your mates use it doesn't mean you're point is any more valid. Its nothing to do with the point, its like saying toothpaste gets rid of spots then going on about the benefits of using it on your teeth. For all I know what you're saying is mere opinion, and if you're going to make a point (whether being asked to prove a negative or not) then at least have the proof to back it up. Wikipedia doesn't count, nor do the little nuggets of information you give without a reputable source. If you expect others to provide one, then at least provide them yourself. My proof might just be based on an ill informed news item, but at least its something reputable to back up what I've said even if it is wrong.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Using long words to make yourself sound credible and talking about watching your mates use it doesn't mean you're point is any more valid. For all I know what you're saying is mere opinion, and if you're going to make a point (whether being asked to prove a negative or not) then at least have the proof to back it up. Wikipedia doesn't count, nor do the little nuggets of information you give without a reputable source. If you expect others to provide one, then at least provide them yourself. My proof might just be based on an ill informed news item, but at least its something reputable to back up what I've said even if it is wrong.

Using long words? I gave you a list of chemicals because it's what you asked for. You know ... the chemicals that have no application whatsoever as plant feeder. Wikipedia certainly counts as the Mephedrone article is verifiably correct and sourced. Or do you think me or the folks at Wikipedia are making up chemicals from thin air purely to piss you off? Get a grip. Your proof is based on an ill informed news item. It's not a question of 'might be'. I have things to fall back on. You have nothing to fall back on. Nothing. You didn't even respond to 90% of my post yet you want me to respect your arrogant opinion based on facts that don't exist? Just give up. Mephedrone is not plant feeder.

The onus is not on me to prove a negative. Give me one single shred of evidence to suggest that Mephedrone posesses qualities as plant growth catalyst. Just one. I dare you. Your still demanding endless evidence off me yet you feel no need to return the favour? Are you well in the head? I give you a post too long for it's own good containing scientific fact and common sense logic about the nature of the Mephedrone business and you completely ignore it in favour of this fucking sewage I'm quoting?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Using long words? I gave you a list of chemicals because it's what you asked for. You know ... the chemicals that have no application whatsoever as plant feeder. Wikipedia certainly counts as the Mephedrone article is verifiably correct and sourced. Or do you think me or the folks at Wikipedia are making up chemicals from thin air purely to piss you off? Get a grip. Your proof is based on an ill informed news item. It's not a question of 'might be'. I have things to fall back on. You have nothing to fall back on. Nothing. You didn't even respond to 90% of my post yet you want me to respect your arrogant opinion based on facts that don't exist? Just give up. Mephedrone is not plant feeder.

The onus is not on me to prove a negative. Give me one single shred of evidence to suggest that Mephedrone posesses qualities as plant growth catalyst. Just one. I dare you.

I didn't respond to most of the post because it was irrelevant. You were going on about what it does to the mind which is completely off the topic and if you're going to ask for sources to back up other peoples points, then at least give proper evidence for your own otherwise its sheer double standards.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

I didn't respond to most of the post because it was irrelevant. You were going on about what it does to the mind which is completely off the topic and if you're going to ask for sources to back up other peoples points, then at least give proper evidence for your own otherwise its sheer double standards.

No, it was not off the point. It was proof that Mephedrone was synthesized from the ground up to be a psychotropic stimulant in human brains. The chemicals in Mephedrone are activators of areas a plant does not have. It's just a fact. Mephedrone is an amphetamine. That's all it is. Every chemical in it screams amphetamine. Why the fuck would plants need Amphetamines?

THINK.

[Tom]

because all that standing up makes them tired and lethargic? I dunno

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

I dunno

Thanks. It took us awhile but we got there in the end.

[sooty]

Hello Joe.

I have never heard of this meow meow before.
This name insults cats.

What is the tragedy. I feel sorry for their parents,,,.

[dirtyvileHARRYuk]

hello baby sooty < hows you ? the name insults all of us as they have given it a harmless name to promote it and make it glamourous.

anyway < have a loverly day <

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

34 people die every day from either alcohol or in a road accident.

Fact No 47 from the LT book of facts - so you know it must be true