[Angus]

and form a minority government which is his right. If Clegg wants to faff around after today demanding this and that when his party's policies clearly didn't jive with the public, Cameron should just get on with it. Yes, there will be a general election again soon, but better that than this ridiculous indecision and unseemly horsetrading.

Cameron IS the incumbent Prime Minister, so someone drag that squatter out of No. 10 so we can get on with being governed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by angus58

and form a minority government which is his right. If Clegg wants to faff around after today demanding this and that when his party's policies clearly didn't jive with the public, Cameron should just get on with it. Yes, there will be a general election again soon, but better that than this ridiculous indecision and unseemly horsetrading.

Cameron IS the incumbent Prime Minister, so someone drag that squatter out of No. 10 so we can get on with being governed.

No he will Not
as the High Numbers of Seats for Conservative -LibDem
will make the Next Five years Good.


The Deal is nearly done.

No Way would David give up on the Sure way of being PM.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

No he will Not
as the High Numbers of Seats for Conservative -LibDem
will make the Next Five years Good.


The Deal is nearly done.

No Way would David give up on the Sure way of being PM.

I want Dave as PM too, but I am sick of watching Cleggy boy calling the shots, and I do not want too many concessions given to a party who were onlyable to win 57 seat throughout the entire country. Clegg won't ally himself to Labour because he is not so stupid as to trust a bunch of bandits who will say and do anything to cling onto power and then renege. Nor does he want to cosy up to a party that has clearly lost the trust and respect of the people of this country, because the terms of such a coalition were that there would be a new Leader of the Labour Party and the GBP will NOT tolerate having another UNELECTED PM thrust upon us without another General Election.

I would rather Cameron tell Clegg the score and he can take it or leave it. I am more inclined to Tebbit's view that Cameron should just go it alone. A second General Election is inevitable regardless, so at least Cameron as PM of a minority government can push through a lot of reforms that do not require a commons vote. Never mind whether the LibDems back a coalition - it is looking increasingly likely that many Tories do NOT.

I do not want to see conservative policies watered down or compromised, I didn't vote for that.

[arista]

But that is the Only way David will be PM


Some LibDem will be part of Conservative.

Both are United.

The Highest Votes were Conservative
so he is Elected.


Sure NewDead Labour will not like it
Tough Titty.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

But that is the Only way David will be PM


Some LibDem will be part of Conservative.

Both are United.

The Highest Votes were Conservative
so he is Elected.


Sure NewDead Labour will not like it
Tough Titty.

It appears that Dave has internal party opposition to this deal, so it is not just about whether Clegg's lot agree, Dave has to get the Tories on board as well. Cameron is to meet with Tory MPs at Westminster tomorrow to talk through the implications of any proposed deal. Any watering down, for instance, of the Tory stance on Europe will not go down well with the party or its supporters, as its one of the key issues I voted on, nor will any talk of giving amnesty to illegal immigrants, a key loony LibDem promise. Power at ANY price is Labour's mantra, not the Conservative's.

I am not worried about Brown - he is finished, dead in the water, and Labour cannot impose a new PM on us without another General Election - I am now getting concerned about a tiny minority party holding the balance of power on so many crucial issues.

[arista]

It should all be over soon.


So all this Concern is not needed.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

It should all be over soon.


So all this Concern is not needed.

Sorry, I think concern is needed to ensure the Conservatives, who won the MOST amount of seats are not fettered and constrained by unreasonable demands from a minority left wing party from doing the job they were voted in to do. If the deal is reasonable, fair enough, but Dave has to be careful not to alienate his core supporters or the party will be punished at the ballot box next time. If he makes too many concessions he could be in danger of a vote of no confidence himself since the voters want to see predominantly CONSERVATIVE policies implemented, not half baked LibDem ones.

Here's hoping it does all work out since this indecision is costing the country millions and undermining our credibility on the world stage.

[Tom4784]

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands so we don't get a repeat of the 80's.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands.

You Kinky Devil.

[Beastie]

Cameron needs Clegg. Clegg needs Cameron.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The only way I'll accept the Tories running things is if they've got the Libdems holding their hands so we don't get a repeat of the 80's.

Funny I'm looking forward to a repeat of the 80s.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

Funny I'm looking forward to a repeat of the 80s.

Depends on which side of the fence you are, let's face it they're already planning on cutting money from the public sector so they're not showing much gratitude towards the lower classes, it's all sunshine and flowers if you're upper middle class though.

Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though.

[arista]

"Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though. "


Yes Dezzy nothing wrong with that at all.

Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Depends on which side of the fence you are, let's face it they're already planning on cutting money from the public sector so they're not showing much gratitude towards the lower classes, it's all sunshine and flowers if you're upper middle class though.

Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though.

Nope I'm working class through and through, and I think it's time that public sector spending was reigned in as it has got out of control under New Labour. Prune back the bureacracy and state interference, and divert resources to where they are needed most. Take back control of our borders and allocate our limited resources more fairly. It's not rocket science, just common sense and good housekeeping, living within one's budget, not borrowing money you can't afford to pay back, like New Labour have been doing for years.

Encourage self sufficiency and independence for those capable of it, and look after and provide for those who REALLY need help, not the feckless and workshy who think they are entitled to be supported from cradle to grave.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by arista

"Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though. "


Yes Dezzy nothing wrong with that at all.

Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron.

Bliss!!!!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

Nope I'm working class through and through, and I think it's time that public sector spending was reigned in as it has got out of control under New Labour. Prune back the bureacracy and state interference, and divert resources to where they are needed most. Take back control of our borders and allocate our limited resources more fairly. It's not rocket science, just common sense and good housekeeping, living within one's budget, not borrowing money you can't afford to pay back, like New Labour have been doing for years.

Encourage self sufficiency and independence for those capable of it, and look after and provide for those who REALLY need help, not the feckless and workshy who think they are entitled to be supported from cradle to grave.

The thing with public sector money though is it's not just about the dole, what about the people that need help? People with disabilities, carers, the elderly ETC. There's a lot of people in need going without WITH the extra money involved it's just gonna get worse if you cut public budgets. With the workshy it's just a matter of putting more controls in place, I like the idea that if you're on the dole for a certain length of time then you have to do community service to pay your way in a sense.

I can definitely see your point and I agree that people who can be, need to be more independent but I don't think cutting budgets is the way.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

"Let's hope the LibDems really grind their noses into the ground though. "


Yes Dezzy nothing wrong with that at all.

Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron.

We'll probably get the chance to boot him out soon enough when the coalition breaks down though.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We'll probably get the chance to boot him out soon enough when the coalition breaks down though.

Dream On.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The thing with public sector money though is it's not just about the dole, what about the people that need help? People with disabilities, carers, the elderly ETC. There's a lot of people in need going without WITH the extra money involved it's just gonna get worse if you cut public budgets. With the workshy it's just a matter of putting more controls in place, I like the idea that if you're on the dole for a certain length of time then you have to do community service to pay your way in a sense.

I can definitely see your point and I agree that people who can be, need to be more independent but I don't think cutting budgets is the way.

I totally believe that those who really NEED help should always get it -but at the moment we have a welfare system that rewards the undeserving, and is open to fraud and abuse. The eldlerly in this country are sidelined all the time in favour of the likes of feckless single mothers and workshy loafers. There are committees for this, quangos for that and all the time the bureaucracy increases, until there are more managers than bloody workers in some cases. The NHS is a case in point - where standards have fallen dramatically whilst costs have risen exponentially.

There are ways of pruning the deadwood from the Welfare State and the NHS which would free up resources to finance those areas that really need it. It is not always necessary to implement cuts, just restructure and divert resources more critically.

[ange7]

"Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron. "
ewww ... do you have his pic on your phone as a screensaver? DO you love him? Do you WANT him?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Dream On.

Let's face it if Labour gets someone half decent to replace Gordon Brown then Cameron's *****ed, he's only there because he is the only realistic option.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Let's face it if Labour gets someone half decent to replace Gordon Brown then Cameron's *****ed, he's only there because he is the only realistic option.

It doesn't alter the fact that Labour LOST the election. If the best that Labour have got is Milliband or Harman, then I don't think the Tories will be quaking in their boots!

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by ange7

"Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron. "
ewww ... do you have his pic on your phone as a screensaver? DO you love him? Do you WANT him?

Yeah him and Nick Clegg would be worth a shag!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

I totally believe that those who really NEED help should always get it -but at the moment we have a welfare system that rewards the undeserving, and is open to fraud and abuse. The eldlerly in this country are sidelined all the time in favour of the likes of feckless single mothers and workshy loafers. There are committees for this, quangos for that and all the time the bureaucracy increases, until there are more managers than bloody workers in some cases. The NHS is a case in point - where standards have fallen dramatically whilst costs have risen exponentially.

There are ways of pruning the deadwood from the Welfare State and the NHS which would free up resources to finance those areas that really need it. It is not always necessary to implement cuts, just restructure and divert resources more critically.

I agree, we need restructuring a lot more then we need cuts. The problem with cutting the budget is that it won't solve the problem of Dole dossers, it'll only limit the money for people who legitimately need it. With restructuring though processes and methods could be put in place to weed out the undeserving and then maybe cuts can be applied IF it can be afforded.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ange7

"Embrace Our New PM Soon.
David Cameron. "
ewww ... do you have his pic on your phone as a screensaver? DO you love him? Do you WANT him?

No I Respect Him


Embrace means Welcome in a Warm Way


I guess Down Under its all
' Hey Shirley get the Barbie on you dog'

Your in a New Nation we put the
Criminals of Our Empire down there
you must come from something close to that in some way.


Bliss.