[foxysarah92]

Stop taking everything I say and blowing it out of proportion I think people should get help but I don't agree with sex changes ok so lets just say I hate the way I look and it does effect me emotinally then technically I should be allow to have something changed on the nhs because I was born in a body i wasn't comfortable in that is what your saying but i can't get bigger boobs on the nhs even though i hate them and they do get me down emotinally

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

all this time I never realised that I am actually disabled

Yes, you should be given priority over all of those scrounging ill people. All of those people who sit in the waiting room wanting help because they have broken something/are ill, should all be sent home and everyone who has freckles and pays tax/has parents that pay tax...should be filling that waiting room instead. Screw real problems, freckles are more damaging than ANYTHING else

[MTVN]

What do people make of this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...h.mentalhealth

There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.

The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by foxysarah92

Stop taking everything I say and blowing it out of proportion I think people should get help but I don't agree with sex changes ok so lets just say I hate the way I look and it does effect me emotinally then technically I should be allow to have something changed on the nhs because I was born in a body i wasn't comfortable in that is what your saying but i can't get bigger boobs on the nhs even though i hate them and they do get me down emotinally

Actually...you can

Which is one of the points people are trying to make.

You can get bigger ones, or smaller ones, all at the courtesy of the tax payer.

[foxysarah92]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Actually...you can

Which is one of the points people are trying to make.

You can get bigger ones, or smaller ones, all at the courtesy of the tax payer.

No I can't if I went and asked for one today I would have to pay

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by foxysarah92

Stop taking everything I say and blowing it out of proportion I think people should get help but I don't agree with sex changes ok so lets just say I hate the way I look and it does effect me emotinally then technically I should be allow to have something changed on the nhs because I was born in a body i wasn't comfortable in that is what your saying but i can't get bigger boobs on the nhs even though i hate them and they do get me down emotinally

Sorry, I dont believe you should get boobs done on NHS either, They should only be done privately.

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Actually...you can

Which is one of the points people are trying to make.

You can get bigger ones, or smaller ones, all at the courtesy of the tax payer.

They have stopped doing boobs now havent they? my friend was told they have. She had to pay, and so she should.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What do people make of this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...h.mentalhealth

Thats actually quite interesting.

But you can find nearly any quote on the internet somewhere. For that article there is chance to be another somewhere that says it nearly always improves the lives of the people in question.

If there is a chance, for it to make it better for them, then i think it should be done, pending psychological tests and that obviously.


Also, has anyone ever had the surgery, and then 'changed' back? This kind of thing really fascinates me, I just don't understand it at all. Then again, people who haven;t been through it, wouldnt understand.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Sunday

So they should save up and pay for it themselves.
Its not life threatening.
People cannot get cancer drugs because they cost the NHS too much, they need to stop those type of ops and save peoples lives and give them the drugs so they can live.

Or clamp down on the thousand and thousands of pounds worth of nhs treatment that people living here illegally are receiving?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What do people make of this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...h.mentalhealth

yes that is a fair point actually. I would imagine actually having the operation would bring a whole new set of problems with it too

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Sunday

They have stopped doing boobs now havent they? my friend was told they have. She had to pay, and so she should.

As far as I'm aware, they still do boob jobs.

Never heard anything different, and a friend got a enlargement at the start of last year :S


Reductions, I agree with, as it can cause severe back pain, but I see no reason whatsoever to offer enlargements on the NHS.

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by happyland

Or clamp down on the thousand and thousands of pounds worth of nhs treatment that people living here illegally are receiving?

Yes that too.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Sunday

They have stopped doing boobs now havent they? my friend was told they have. She had to pay, and so she should.

My frien d got hers done on the nhs... They were so big that she had serious back problems with the weight of them and was told she would be almost a cripple by mid age.

[foxysarah92]

So I think if you really wanted a sex change you would actually save up for one

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by foxysarah92

No I can't if I went and asked for one today I would have to pay

If someone went in and just asked for a sex change today, do you think it would be done?

Of course if you just go in and say you want a boob job, they wont give it to you. You have to prove how it is effecting your life, see loads of psychologists and that to prove that you arent just swindling them and that the operation would improve your overall quality of life.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by foxysarah92

So I think if you really wanted a sex change you would actually save up for one

With all due respect, when you actually pay tax and understand how the NHS system works, then I will take your complaints seriously. Also when you understand the difference between cosmetic surgery, and psychological problems.

I cant believe you seem to think that you just go into the doctors and demand a sex change and they give you one.

[foxysarah92]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

With all due respect, when you actually pay tax and understand how the NHS system works, then I will take your complaints seriously. Also when you understand the difference between cosmetic surgery, and psychological problems.

I cant believe you seem to think that you just go into the doctors and demand a sex change and they give you one.

I know you have to go through meetings but i still dont agree with it being on the nhs

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by foxysarah92

I know you have to go through meetings but i still dont agree with it being on the nhs

But if you are saying that having freckles removed should be available, and boob jobs, then surely you can see why sex changes should also be available :/

Since being trapped in the wrong body is more psychologically damaging than having freckles.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by foxysarah92

I know you have to go through meetings but i still dont agree with it being on the nhs

Why don't you do some reading up on the subject? Or there's aslo a few documentaries, one of which I actually found quite upsetting.
You currently seem quite ignorant on the subject so perhaps some facts ans seeing what some people go through may encourage some empathy on your part?

[Tom4784]

I think Sex changes should remain on the NHS, it's not exactly the type of surgery done for vanity based reasons as Gender displacement (not sure that's the right word for it) and other Gender based disorders are real issues and problems. You can't really compare it to a normal boob job as in most cases that's strictly a vanity based procedure (though admitedly not always).

If surgery has a chance of helping a patient then it should be on the NHS so Sex changes should (and are I think) convered by the NHS as well as any cosmetic surgery that isn't done for vain reasons.

[Shasown]

Its all about quality of life, if a problem be it medical, cosmetic or psychological affects a persons quality of life so much, then treatment should be available on the NHS, or even with assisted payments privately. When talking about quality of life we arent talking about being a little bit miffed we have freckles, its more major clinical depression and other psychological problems.

For the example of gender reassignment. The person hoping to have treatment has to undergo a long period of psychological assessment, a period of time adjusting to the proposed sex(a man must live and dress as a woman for a while) and also have hormone treatment for a while before surgery will be considered an option of treatment available.

The hormone treatments for men reduce facial and body hair growth, promote the development of breasts, etc, for women they male pattern hair growth, reduce breasts and restrict the menstrual cycle.

Incidentally facial freckles can easily be concealed with the use of a cosmetic concealer and foundation, available at very little cost from your local supermarket or chemists.

[BB_Eye]

Ideally any sort of cosmetic surgery on the NHS that doesn't relate to fixing extreme injuries (particularly facial), deformities or serious health issues shouldn't be available free of charge, but then that begs the question, where will the NHS get skilled cosmetic surgeons for those times that people really need it when most will want to make a full time career of it?

In any case, this is the least of the NHS's worries. More pressing matters are the way whistleblowers whose lives are ruined and who are bullied out of their job and all the taxpayers' money WASTED on the incompetent, ridiculously oversized body of admin and the notorious Private Finance Initiatives that have the NHS swimming in debt thanks to their interest charges.

[Tom]

Plastic surgery should never be available on the NHS unless its crucial eg after breast cancer or after an accident that has left someone with a disfigurement. A sex change isn't crucial surgery. Intense councelling is whats needed.

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by Tom

Plastic surgery should never be available on the NHS unless its crucial eg after breast cancer or after an accident that has left someone with a disfigurement. A sex change isn't crucial surgery. Intense councelling is whats needed.

I totally agree, NHS is for sick people not for cosmetic, sex changes, breast enlargements. The NHS need the money for crucial operations, equiptment and drugs.

If somebody wants a sex change, they should save up for it, by the time they have saved, they will know for sure if its what they really want, there have been many cases where they had the op and regretted it or were left looking very disfigured.

[30stone]

Agree with Tom.

I dont wana pay for this.