[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MissKittyFantastico

I don't 'care' about them, but in a lot of cases there is some form of mental illness involved, in fact paedophilia IS an illness, an incurable one at this moment in time, which is why I said they don't CHOOSE to go out and abuse children, it's a compulsion and while yes they deserve to be locked up and the key thrown away until some form of cure can be found (if it can be), I don't agree that they should be sentenced to death for what is an illness that they can't help acting on. More needs to be spent on learning about it and as the only surefire way of protecting children is to have them locked up then yes life should mean life as there is no known form of rehabilitation for their condition as yet.

but not all pedophiles are mentally insane as some know what there doing.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

but not all pedophiles are mentally insane as some know what there doing.

And you know this how? If someone is classed as a paedophile by the clincal definition then I'm sorry but they CAN'T help it and they don't see anything wrong with what they are doing, hence why it's called a mental illness, they don't know right from wrong and are compelled to do what they do.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Would you feel the same if the shoe was on the other foot and it was your child that could be executed though? You can't really discount the parent's feelings since they'd feel the same grief as you, possible more due to the fact their child commited the crime.

Well perhaps they should have done a better job bringing their child up properly in the first place. The propensity to become a murderer, rapist, paedophile etc., must have been evident at some point during their upbringing and the parents have either ignored it or worse, been instrumental by virtue of their inadequate parenting, in fostering it.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well perhaps they should have done a better job bringing their child up properly in the first place. The propensity to become a murderer, rapist, paedophile etc., must have been evident at some point during their upbringing and the parents have either ignored it or worse, been instrumental by virtue of their inadequate parenting, in fostering it.

Upbringing has nothing to do with it. People from good families become killers, Paedos rapists. The whole 'it's because they had a bad upbringing' thing is a myth.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Upbringing has nothing to do with it. People from good families become killers, Paedos rapists. The whole 'it's because they had a bad upbringing' thing is a myth.

I would say in alot of cases it has something to do with it, not all but alot

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

Upbringing has nothing to do with it. People from good families become killers, Paedos rapists. The whole 'it's because they had a bad upbringing' thing is a myth.

but then your saying there pure evil because they must have at least had 1 thing bad in the childhood.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I would say in alot of cases it has something to do with it, not all but alot

Indeed, but that is when it becomes harder to catch a Paedophile, when you assume they'll be some creepy looking guy hanging out at schools.

[joeysteele]

jedward,you have won the real argument with your firm stance and reasoned laying out of you opinion. your points are not invalidated by you getting any personal insults from areas that offer no constructive detailed argument as to facts.
I asked on here if anyone could say to me that 100% if an abuser was released from prison after all these risk assessments etc that they believed there was not a sinlge chance of them abusing again, I got veiled response and no 100% guranteee.


Niamhxo pointed out that he/she would never give a second chance to paedophiles or killers in order to protect innocent children so he/she would never let them out of prison. That is a right statement and right thing to do becasue there are no guarantees possible and the risk is too great to take to let them rejoin society.

With some exceptions that would be the Nations view, the UK population is clamouring for capital punishment to be brought back, especially for child harmers and killers.

You jedward are in the majority of opinion, it may not seem that way on here, but you are so know that and let all else just wash over you because little of the criticism levelled at you has any base or relevance whatsoever.

Pople who abuse,and sexually abuse children are the scum of the earth, they lose in my view any right at all to be part of any society after committing such vile crimes against Children.
I find it incredible that any would think otherwise to that, but if they do then they must have their reasons whatever they may be,even though understanding those reasons will be far beyond me I'm afraid.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

but then your saying there pure evil because they must have at least had 1 thing bad in the childhood.

Pure evil people do exist.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well perhaps they should have done a better job bringing their child up properly in the first place. The propensity to become a murderer, rapist, paedophile etc., must have been evident at some point during their upbringing and the parents have either ignored it or worse, been instrumental by virtue of their inadequate parenting, in fostering it.

Sorry but I don't agree with that at all. Not all rapists, murderers etc show signs of having any issues at all growing up, and it's harsh to pin the blame on the parents, when any number of things that happen later on in life could have sparked them off. That brings in the whole nature v nuture debate as well, and experts are very split on that subject. Are people born evil or are they a product of their environment?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Indeed, but that is when it becomes harder to catch a Paedophile, when you assume they'll be some creepy looking guy hanging out at schools.

no I mean I wouldn't assume that they look like anything

[InOne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

jedward,you have won the real argument with your firm stance and reasoned laying out of you opinion. your points are not invalidated by you getting any personal insults from areas that offer no constructive detailed argument as to facts.I asked on here if anyone could say to me that 100% if an abuser was released from prison after all these risk assessments etc that they believed there was not a sinlge chance of them abusing again, I got veiled response and no 100% guranteee.


Niamhxo pointed out that he/she would never give a second chance to paedophiles or killers in order to protect innocent children so he/she would never let them out of prison. That is a right statement and right thing to do becasue there are no guarantees possible and the risk is too great to take to let them rejoin society.

With some exceptions that would be the Nations view, the UK population is clamouring for capital punishment to be brought back, especially for child harmers and killers.

You jedward are in the majority of opinion, it may not seem that way on here, but you are so know that and let all else just wash over you because little of the criticism levelled at you has no base or relevance whatsoever.

Pople who abuse,and sexually abuse children are the scum of the earth, they lose in my view any right at all to be part of any society after committing such vile crimes against Children.
I find it incredible that any would think otherwise to that, but if they do then they must have their reasons whatever they may be,even though understanding those reasons will be far beyond me I'm afraid.

Are you actually serious? :/

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well perhaps they should have done a better job bringing their child up properly in the first place. The propensity to become a murderer, rapist, paedophile etc., must have been evident at some point during their upbringing and the parents have either ignored it or worse, been instrumental by virtue of their inadequate parenting, in fostering it.

Thats a stupid statement to make really, not everybodies upbringing sets them out for the way they will be later on in life, some yes but not all....

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

no I mean I wouldn't assume that they look like anything

Yes but you were assuming a type of personality as well

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

jedward,you have won the real argument with your firm stance and reasoned laying out of you opinion. your points are not invalidated by you getting any personal insults from areas that offer no constructive detailed argument as to facts.
I asked on here if anyone could say to me that 100% if an abuser was released from prison after all these risk assessments etc that they believed there was not a sinlge chance of them abusing again, I got veiled response and no 100% guranteee.


Niamhxo pointed out that he/she would never give a second chance to paedophiles or killers in order to protect innocent children so he/she would never let them out of prison. That is a right statement and right thing to do becasue there are no guarantees possible and the risk is too great to take to let them rejoin society.

With some exceptions that would be the Nations view, the UK population is clamouring for capital punishment to be brought back, especially for child harmers and killers.

You jedward are in the majority of opinion, it may not seem that way on here, but you are so know that and let all else just wash over you because little of the criticism levelled at you has no base or relevance whatsoever.

Pople who abuse,and sexually abuse children are the scum of the earth, they lose in my view any right at all to be part of any society after committing such vile crimes against Children.
I find it incredible that any would think otherwise to that, but if they do then they must have their reasons whatever they may be,even though understanding those reasons will be far beyond me I'm afraid.

Umm No, the majority of the population do not believe in mutilation as a punishment, and most do not believe in the death penalty.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by MissKittyFantastico

And you know this how? If someone is classed as a paedophile by the clincal definition then I'm sorry but they CAN'T help it and they don't see anything wrong with what they are doing, hence why it's called a mental illness, they don't know right from wrong and are compelled to do what they do.

If they are mentally ill and see nothing wrong in what they are doing, then they would carry on without attempting to hide their perversions. However, most are extremely clever at leading double lives and hiding the evidence which suggests to me that they know fine well that what they are doing is a crime.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Umm No, the majority of the population do not believe in mutilation as a punishment, and most do not believe in the death penalty.

actually when they did a servey a few years back,over 85% wanted the death penalty brought back, so it sounds like im in the majority dont you think?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well perhaps they should have done a better job bringing their child up properly in the first place. The propensity to become a murderer, rapist, paedophile etc., must have been evident at some point during their upbringing and the parents have either ignored it or worse, been instrumental by virtue of their inadequate parenting, in fostering it.

More often then not it's not the parents fault, how would you feel if your children did something wrong and placed the blame at your door? Sometimes it is poor parenting but you can have a perfect set of parents and that doesn't mean the kid will do no wrong.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Umm No, the majority of the population do not believe in mutilation as a punishment, and most do not believe in the death penalty.

I think you would find that in a referendum to bring back capital punishment for certain crimes, child murder and sexual abuse 2 of them that you would find the UK voting at 'least' 75% in favour.
Its why govts won't hold one, becasue no party wants to be the one in govt to bring it back but if the public had the chnace they would vote massively for it for certain crimes.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by angus58

If they are mentally ill and see nothing wrong in what they are doing, then they would carry on without attempting to hide their perversions. However, most are extremely clever at leading double lives and hiding the evidence which suggests to me that they know fine well that what they are doing is a crime.

But it is a psychiatric disorder, and one that isn't even fully understood as yet. Some of them feel intense shame about what they are doing but like I said they are compelled to act on their feelings, others yes know what they are doing is wrong but still feel compelled to act on their feelings, they can't help it. Hence why it's called a mental illness.

[joeysteele]

I am 100% serious InOne.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

If they are mentally ill and see nothing wrong in what they are doing, then they would carry on without attempting to hide their perversions. However, most are extremely clever at leading double lives and hiding the evidence which suggests to me that they know fine well that what they are doing is a crime.

I'm sure they don't wake up one day and decide to be a paedophile. It builts up over a number of years. They slowly slowly tip further towards the edge. I think what would be good would be to find out what tips some over the edge. And why some go all the way and why some don't. We can then maybe find ways to stop them from taking the final step. Even if it saves just one kids life, worth a shot isn't it?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

I'm sure they don't wake up one day and decide to be a paedophile. It builts up over a number of years. They slowly slowly tip further towards the edge. I think what would be good would be to find out what tips some over the edge. And why some go all the way and why some don't. We can then maybe find ways to stop them from taking the final step. Even if it saves just one kids life, worth a shot isn't it?

no because we should save more than 1 childs life and actually teach the pedophiles a lesson.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Thats a stupid statement to make really, not everybodies upbringing sets them out for the way they will be later on in life, some yes but not all....

Yet again it's okay for some to put others down with dismissive statements when they have nothing else to bring to the table themselves.

There are always signs of some sort in a budding psychopath and a good parent would surely notice signs of unusual behaviour and get the appropriate help for their child. A bad parent might actually be the reason why their child is a psychopath. Then into the mix there has to be considered the possibility of inherited mental illnesses, again which would surely have been picked up by a good parent.

That aside, it's staggering really that hypothetically the parents of a murdered child, according to some on this thread, are supposed to be considerate of the feelings of the parents of the scum that killed their child. They are also supposed to meekly accept the pathetic sentences handed down, as well as be filled with understanding and compassion for the killer who might well have inflicted the most unimaginable pain and terror on their child.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes but you were assuming a type of personality as well

when was I? I never mentioned anything about anyones personality