[Enid]

Haha I read this article then saw the pic of nasty Nick in your sig... if only...

Yeah sick.

dreamindemon is full of this sort of stuff.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i dont mean to bring back some tough times kazanne but i want to show how bad them bastards was.

they skipped 3 police stations where they could have easily dropped him off until his parents found him,am i right in saying this kazanne that after killing james bulger they then put him on a railway track where the train ran him over?

Yes,a lady stopped and asked what was wrong with him as he was upset and had a mark on his forehead,they told her he was their little brother(how crafty was that)another lady was going to take him to the police station herself(Oh if only)but her friend did not want to hold her dog while she went as she was scared of it,ironically enough James was killed not very far away from a police station!!!and yes they laid him across a railway line and covered his head with bricks!!!he was run over by a train and i dont want to go into details but there were TWO scenes of crime.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Yes,a lady stopped and asked what was wrong with him as he was upset and had a mark on his forehead,they told her he was their little brother(how crafty was that)another lady was going to take him to the police station herself(Oh if only)but her friend did not want to hold her dog while she went as she was scared of it,ironically enough James was killed not very far away from a police station!!!and yes they laid him across a railway line and covered his head with bricks!!!he was run over by a train and i dont want to go into details but there were TWO scenes of crime.

Good god. I can't read that. It makes me cry

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by happyland

Good god. I can't read that. It makes me cry

This is the best and most accurate link I can find on the net,for those who want to read it.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n.../bulger/1.html

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

This is the best and most accurate link I can find on the net,for those who want to read it.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n.../bulger/1.html

I honestly don't think I can.. I've got my 3 year old boy sitting playing here just now and even just reading what you wrote in your last post was very upsetting. I can't imagine what it must be like for the family

[Mystic Mock]

and yet people think scum like jon venables and robert thompson deserved to live.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by happyland

I honestly don't think I can.. I've got my 3 year old boy sitting playing here just now and even just reading what you wrote in your last post was very upsetting. I can't imagine what it must be like for the family

I understand that,that is why I posted the link,it helps me as people can now make up their own minds without me posting it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Yes,a lady stopped and asked what was wrong with him as he was upset and had a mark on his forehead,they told her he was their little brother(how crafty was that)another lady was going to take him to the police station herself(Oh if only)but her friend did not want to hold her dog while she went as she was scared of it,ironically enough James was killed not very far away from a police station!!!and yes they laid him across a railway line and covered his head with bricks!!!he was run over by a train and i dont want to go into details but there were TWO scenes of crime.

oh my God Kazanne, that is just awful. I bet those two women must think about and regret that every single day of their lives.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I understand that,that is why I posted the link,it helps me as people can now make up their own minds without me posting it.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by kazanne

This is the best and most accurate link I can find on the net,for those who want to read it.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n.../bulger/1.html

Kazanne, my youngest son was around the same age as James at the time, and I remember weeping for days when they finally found him.

If I remember right those two pieces of scum had tried to abduct a little girl a bit earlier from the same shopping centre but were unsuccessful? It was quite obviously a premeditated kidnapping, and they deliberately targetted a little lad too young to be able to tell any inquisitive passersby what they were doing. Furthermore, didn't the psychologists try to mitigate the seriousness of what they did by saying that they were merely re-enacting a scene from Child's Play and were unaware of the harm they were actually doing? -what utter BS. Those children were 10 years old and knew full well the pain, torture and misery they intended to inflict on that poor little boy.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I understand that,that is why I posted the link,it helps me as people can now make up their own minds without me posting it.

I've read as much as I can and the memories came back - I can't believe those two scumbags are still walking this earth and being protected - it leaves me speechless.

[InOne]

It's awful what happened to Bulger but we could get angry about many old cases. We need to look at ways of protecting the children, and make adults and children themselves be more aware.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

oh my God Kazanne, that is just awful. I bet those two women must think about and regret that every single day of their lives.

Niam,38 people COULD have helped save James that day,but didn't want to 'interfere' ,from lorry drivers to passers by,they are called The Liverpool 38,one woman even saw them and James in distress and unbelievably "Drew her curtains"a lorry driver saw them give him a "persuading" kick and NO ONE did anything.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kazanne

This is the best and most accurate link I can find on the net,for those who want to read it.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n.../bulger/1.html

i could only read the 1st page as it is very disturbing,and especially 10 year olds doing it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Kazanne, my youngest son was around the same age as James at the time, and I remember weeping for days when they found finally him.

If I remember right those two pieces of scum had tried to abduct a little girl a bit earlier from the same shopping centre but were unsuccessful? It was quite obviously a premeditated kidnapping, and they deliberately targetted a little lad too young to be able to tell any inquisitive passersby what they were doing. Furthermore, didn't the psychologists try to mitigate the seriousness of what they did by saying that they were merely re-enacting a scene from Child's Play and were unaware of the harm they were actually doing? -what utter BS. Those children were 10 years old and knew full well the pain, torture and misery they intended to inflict on that poor little boy.

They tried to abduct a girl and another little boy but the mother saw them,they did TRY to blame Childs Play,of course it is BS ,they have to blame something, that film is nothing like what happened.Angus,They knew it was wrong hence the long trek to a secluded space.James first scream would have told them it was wrong and the way they tried to hide it,and people say they didn't know it was wrong,of course they did.They were also found to be sound in mind and body!!!!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kazanne

They tried to abduct a girl and another little boy but the mother saw them,they did TRY to blame Childs Play,of course it is BS ,they have to blame something, that film is nothing like what happened.Angus,They knew it was wrong hence the long trek to a secluded space.James first scream would have told them it was wrong and the way they tried to hide it,and people say they didn't know it was wrong,of course they did.They were also found to be sound in mind and body!!!!

yeah it was probably adults that find all children innocent.

[Lee.]

Do you know what? life in jail AND lethal injection would be two good for those evil ****ers. They deserved to have been tortured and beaten every day all day for the rest of their lives!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by happyland

Do you know what? life in jail AND lethal injection would be two good for those evil ****ers. They deserved to have been tortured and beaten every day all day for the rest of their lives!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Yes,a lady stopped and asked what was wrong with him as he was upset and had a mark on his forehead,they told her he was their little brother(how crafty was that)another lady was going to take him to the police station herself(Oh if only)but her friend did not want to hold her dog while she went as she was scared of it,ironically enough James was killed not very far away from a police station!!!and yes they laid him across a railway line and covered his head with bricks!!!he was run over by a train and i dont want to go into details but there were TWO scenes of crime.

Thank you kazanne for reminding us what children are up against here and not just sometimes from adults either.
This is a heartbreaking detail of a truly rotten crime, it was detailed in response to jedward fever,who asked in the most mature and sensitive way if he was right in his recollection of what he had read as to this crime.

All some can do is take shots at jedward fever,because they have nothing constructive to ask,say or even have any ideas how to prevent these crimes at all.
Jedward fever shows insight, understanding and very deep thinking as to this topic, as we all should do really.
In fact he has been a great example all through as far I am concerned and he has made me think many times my own position as to punishments for these wicked crimes against children.

As to this post from kazanne, who has very strong feelings and interest in justice, real justice to be brought in for these crimes, I have to commend her on this post which should remind any decent people of the horrors children can be up against from others and also this passage from her is in my opinion the very best and conclusive demonstration of fact as to why for these crimes capital punishment should be the norm.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you kazanne for reminding us what children are up against here and not just sometimes from adults either.
This is a heartbreaking detail of a truly rotten crime, it was detailed in response to jedward fever,who asked in the most mature and sensitive way if he was right in his recollection of what he had read as to this crime.

All some can do is take shots at jedward fever,because they have nothing constructive to ask,say or even have any ideas how to prevent these crimes at all.
Jedward fever shows insight, understanding and very deep thinking as to this topic, as we all should do really.
In fact he has been a great example all through as far I am concerned and he has made me think many times my own position as to punishments for these wicked crimes against children.

As to this post from kazanne, who has very strong feelings and interest in justice, real justice to be brought in for these crimes, I have to commend her on this post which should remind any decent people of the horrors children can be up against from others and also this passage from her is in my opinion the very best and conclusive demonstration of fact as to why for these crimes capital punishment should be the norm.

What is it with you and Jedward Fever? Do you know eachother or something?

[joeysteele]

Not at all, not that it has anything to do with you or anyone else.

I enjoy his posts, they are relevant, he doesn't just attack others for no reason, most of what he says I agree with and therefore he saves me a lot of time by my being able to agree with him.

I doubt there is any law in expressing agreement with someone on important matters,I do so with Kazanne, Angus58 and I have also done so with you many times too.

It is nice to be more community like and not only agree with others, but also to express that agreement,just maybe one day you may decide to try it too.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by angus58

Kazanne, my youngest son was around the same age as James at the time, and I remember weeping for days when they found finally him.

If I remember right those two pieces of scum had tried to abduct a little girl a bit earlier from the same shopping centre but were unsuccessful? It was quite obviously a premeditated kidnapping, and they deliberately targetted a little lad too young to be able to tell any inquisitive passersby what they were doing. Furthermore, didn't the psychologists try to mitigate the seriousness of what they did by saying that they were merely re-enacting a scene from Child's Play and were unaware of the harm they were actually doing? -what utter BS. Those children were 10 years old and knew full well the pain, torture and misery they intended to inflict on that poor little boy.

What sorts of psychologists were they? I thought that was just conjecture from the gutter press and politicians. It always seemed weird to me. The press wanted to have their cake and eat it. To have Venables held fully responsible for his own actions and for him to do time in an adult prison, but it also wanted to blame dumb horror/slasher movies and the way they influenced poor impressionable children, taking no account of the sort of fundamental parental neglect that leads somebody to act in such a way. The equivalent to blaming the Columbine Massacre on first-person shooter games.

Ironic then that the press may inadvertantly have gotten Venables a lighter sentence.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you kazanne for reminding us what children are up against here and not just sometimes from adults either.
This is a heartbreaking detail of a truly rotten crime, it was detailed in response to jedward fever,who asked in the most mature and sensitive way if he was right in his recollection of what he had read as to this crime.

All some can do is take shots at jedward fever,because they have nothing constructive to ask,say or even have any ideas how to prevent these crimes at all.
Jedward fever shows insight, understanding and very deep thinking as to this topic, as we all should do really.
In fact he has been a great example all through as far I am concerned and he has made me think many times my own position as to punishments for these wicked crimes against children.

As to this post from kazanne, who has very strong feelings and interest in justice, real justice to be brought in for these crimes, I have to commend her on this post which should remind any decent people of the horrors children can be up against from others and also this passage from her is in my opinion the very best and conclusive demonstration of fact as to why for these crimes capital punishment should be the norm.

Repeatedly saying he agrees with other peoples posts, using foul language and describing how he would like to cut the hands off or murder the "b******s" is hardly constructive.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

What sorts of psychologists were they? I thought that was just conjecture from the gutter press and politicians. It always seemed weird to me. The press wanted to have their cake and eat it. To have Venables held fully responsible for his own actions and for him to do time in an adult prison, but it also wanted to blame dumb horror/slasher movies and the way they influenced poor impressionable children, taking no account of the sort of fundamental parental neglect that leads somebody to act in such a way. The equivalent to blaming the Columbine Massacre on first-person shooter games.

Ironic then that the press may inadvertantly have gotten Venables a lighter sentence.

Well that is why I have queried whether those were the facts or not. Kazanne has the greatest knowledge on this issue because of her personal involvement with the family; I am trying to recall the details nearly 20 years later.

And yes, you are right, parental neglect is a massive influence on delinquent children. If the "Child's Play" story is true, then what on earth were these parents doing allowing ten year olds to watch an x rated movie? It's about time the parents of delinquent children were prosecuted for their failure to bring up their children properly, because society pays the price later on.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Niam,38 people COULD have helped save James that day,but didn't want to 'interfere' ,from lorry drivers to passers by,they are called The Liverpool 38,one woman even saw them and James in distress and unbelievably "Drew her curtains"a lorry driver saw them give him a "persuading" kick and NO ONE did anything.

You can say its unbelievable that a woman drew her curtains but you can't say you wouldn't do the same in that situation. You'd like to think you wouldn't but a lot of people diminish responsibility and expect someone else to do it. Its a strange psychological concept and has been proven time and time again, most notably with Kitty Genovese who was murdered graphically in full view public and all the residents could do was pull their sofas up to the window to get a better view whilst sat down, NOT phone the police or an ambulance! There are loads of follow up studies to see how bystanders react and they all lead to pretty much the same conclusion.