[Zippy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

But wasnt it strange that she wasnt asked last?

My guess is the producers just wanted a bit of drama and knew she would refuse at that point. Thats all.

I dont think it was any great plot to save Katie.

[Tom]

No matter how Cheryl voted she was always going to be criticised for it. there are a few scenarios:

If she voted second to send home...

Katie- people would be saying how she only voted Katie to counteract Simon's vote
Treyc- people would be saying how Katie is her favourite

If she voted last ...

sending it to deadlock (which would have been voting for Katie)- she'd be a crap judge because she can't choose

if she had the third vote to eliminate Treyc, she would have done that because she doesn't like Treyc

The only situation where Cheryl would have got some kind of kudos was if Katie went in a 3-1 vote with Cheryl casting the third vote. People pick at every small thing she does and qutie frankly its pathetic

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

My guess is the producers just wanted a bit of drama and knew she would refuse at that point. Thats all.

I dont think it was any great plot to save Katie.

It did save her though didnt it? In very dodgy circumstances.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tom

No matter how Cheryl voted she was always going to be criticised for it. there are a few scenarios:

If she voted second to send home...

Katie- people would be saying how she only voted Katie to counteract Simon's vote
Treyc- people would be saying how Katie is her favourite

If she voted last ...

sending it to deadlock (which would have been voting for Katie)- she'd be a crap judge because she can't choose

if she had the third vote to eliminate Treyc, she would have done that because she doesn't like Treyc

The only situation where Cheryl would have got some kind of kudos was if Katie went in a 3-1 vote with Cheryl casting the third vote. People pick at every small thing she does and qutie frankly its pathetic

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

[Tom]

copy & paste job from the other thread, its just as relevant here

No matter how Cheryl voted she was always going to be criticised for it. there are a few scenarios:

If she voted second to send home...

Katie- people would be saying how she only voted Katie to counteract Simon's vote
Treyc- people would be saying how Katie is her favourite

If she voted last ...

sending it to deadlock (which would have been voting for Katie)- she'd be a crap judge because she can't choose

if she had the third vote to eliminate Treyc, she would have done that because she doesn't like Treyc

The only situation where Cheryl would have got some kind of kudos was if Katie went in a 3-1 vote with Cheryl casting the third vote. People pick at every small thing she does and qutie frankly its pathetic

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

Agree Vicky. Total JOKE!!

THE X FACTOR IS SO FAKE!!

I bet if they wanted Wagner safe they would get Simon to take it to deadlock.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

Probably to mix it up a little bit to save us from the obvious. There were a few other changes on tonights show as well- there was build up music when Katie & Treyc both entered the stage for the performances and there was a bit before the show with Dermot

I wouldn't read much into it, whenever a judge refuses to vote it depends on the other 2. Sharon refused to vote a few times and thats what happened

I guess we'll find out when the results are released at the end of the series if Katie was bottom

[Jack_]

I've just remembered - Sharon 'walked off' on the first Live Show of Series 4, due to her having two of her acts in the Bottom Two. She was asked first [I know Cheryl was asked second, but still, neither were asked last], she refused and thus lost her vote - so it went to a majority vote of the other three Judges.

This is what happened tonight. So it HAS happened before.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Tom

copy & paste job from the other thread, its just as relevant here

No matter how Cheryl voted she was always going to be criticised for it. there are a few scenarios:

If she voted second to send home...

Katie- people would be saying how she only voted Katie to counteract Simon's vote
Treyc- people would be saying how Katie is her favourite

If she voted last ...

sending it to deadlock (which would have been voting for Katie)- she'd be a crap judge because she can't choose

if she had the third vote to eliminate Treyc, she would have done that because she doesn't like Treyc

The only situation where Cheryl would have got some kind of kudos was if Katie went in a 3-1 vote with Cheryl casting the third vote. People pick at every small thing she does and qutie frankly its pathetic

Interesting scenarios, but if she'd simply announced - she'd like to go last - then she would have avoided all the fix claims. Surely she'd thought about this in advance and played it out in her head. If she hadnt then she's not right to be on the judging panel.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

It did save her though didnt it? In very dodgy circumstances.

No. Thats just the thing; it wasn't dodgy at all. People just have an overactive imagination.

Bottom line; TreyC is good(not wow) singer but dull and invisible vs Katie is no great singer but interesting and headline grabbing.

Both regulars in bottom two so neither have a shot at winning. So which is better to keep for the show? Er....KATIE of course!

Dunno what the big hooha is all about tbh. The judges chose right.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I've just remembered - Sharon 'walked off' on the first Live Show of Series 4, due to her having two of her acts in the Bottom Two. She was asked first [I know Cheryl was asked second, but still, neither were asked last], she refused and thus lost her vote - so it went to a majority vote of the other three Judges.

This is what happened tonight. So it HAS happened before.

When there was 3 judges though, it didnt matter what the voting order was, as however the other 2 voted...the one with 2 in the bottom would have HAD to chose between them

Unless they just totally refused to vote...

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When there was 3 judges though, it didnt matter what the voting order was, as however the other 2 voted...the one with 2 in the bottom would have HAD to chose between them

Unless they just totally refused to vote...

Series 4 [my post] had four Judges? Sharon, Dannii, Louis, Simon.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

No. Thats just the thing; it wasn't dodgy at all. People just have an overactive imagination.

Bottom line; TreyC is good(not wow) singer but dull and invisible vs Katie is no great singer but interesting and headline grabbing.

Both regulars in bottom two so neither have a shot at winning. So which is better to keep for the show? Er....KATIE of course!

Dunno what the big hooha is all about tbh. The judges chose right.

You think the fact that one of the judges didnt vote isnt dodgy?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When there was 3 judges though, it didnt matter what the voting order was, as however the other 2 voted...the one with 2 in the bottom would have HAD to chose between them

Unless they just totally refused to vote...

The judges vote worked a lot better when there were 3 judges. If Cheryl goes to the American X Factor or if Dannii leaves/is sacked I don't think they should be replaced and the over 25s should be integrated into the 16-24 male/female categories

[Mr XcX]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Series 4 [my post] had four Judges? Sharon, Dannii, Louis, Simon.

They did that to piss Sharon off that is why!!!

They knew she would go off like a firework.

Good for ratings.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Series 4 [my post] had four Judges? Sharon, Dannii, Louis, Simon.

Oh did it

My bad

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You think the fact that one of the judges didnt vote isnt dodgy?

wut?

she didnt need to vote! Simon didnt a few weeks back and I dont remember a fuss about that!

Only difference being that he was left until last to ask. Which is exactly what Cheryl should have been. They deliberately put her in an awkward postion and forced a drama for drama sake. If theyd just asked her last we wouldnt have all this...oh wait....the Cheryl haters would still find a way to blame her!

[Beastie]

Well I am happy Treyc went tonight!

I wanted Treyc, Mary or Wagner to go tonight.

Wagner does not entertain me as much as Jedward

I agree that the results was a fix though. Katie probably did get lowest amount of public votes so then the producer panicked and swapped how the judges vote when Cheryl should have come to last.

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Cheryl never complained about not being allowed to take it to deadlock once Louis voted TreyC out..

Very true......

don't know if everyone is aware it has been mooted that katie had a record contract with Sony in the US before auditioning for the X factor......Simon is linked to Sony and therefore so is Louis.........

Just a thought.

[Beastie]

Cheryl wanted to get rid pf Treyc. Let's face it. lol.

She was just being polite to Treyc.

Waste of time. She is a bore.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

wut?

she didnt need to vote! Simon didnt a few weeks back and I dont remember a fuss about that!

Only difference being that he was left until last to ask. Which is exactly what Cheryl should have been. They deliberately put her in an awkward postion and forced a drama for drama sake. If theyd just asked her last we wouldnt have all this...oh wait....the Cheryl haters would still find a way to blame her!

I say again, why did she not just say she wanted to go last? Surely THEN we would'nt have the drama.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I say again, why did she not just say she wanted to go last?

she did!

after he asked her. She shouldn't have been asked 2nd.

Twist it all you like but you can't blame Cheryl for this one.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

she did!

after he asked her. She shouldn't have been asked 2nd.

Twist it all you like but you can't blame Cheryl for this one.

No her vote was disallowed. If she'd said she wanted to go last I dont think there would have been too many objections. She sat there like a tool acting like she didnt now what was going on when Dermot clearly asked her for her vote, twice.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Zippy

she did!

after he asked her. She shouldn't have been asked 2nd.

Twist it all you like but you can't blame Cheryl for this one.

I would say it is the producer to blame.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

No her vote was disallowed. If she'd said she wanted to go last I dont think there would have been too many objections. She sat there like a tool acting like she didnt now what was going on when Dermot clearly asked her for her vote, twice.

I dont even get what you mean.

You're making assumptions about what she knew. If she didnt know what order they would be asked then she probably assumed she'd be asked last like is usually the case.

When asked she effectively did say "Ill vote last so I can take it to a deadlock if need be".

I don't think any judge should have to eliminate their own acts. Its not even necessary with the current rules.