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Zippy · 07-11-2010, 08:40 PM

When Simon had two acts in the sing off he was allowed to go last and didnt therefore have to choose. Thats the decent and right way to do it.

No need to create bad feeling between an act and their mentor just for tv drama sake. Dermot was yet again trying to sh!tstir by going to Cheryl 2nd.

And she was 100% right to not throw one of her acts under the bus when it was totally unnecessary to do so.

Adamw92 · 07-11-2010, 08:41 PM

She was right and as she said, she wanted to take it to deadlock if there it ended up in a 2-1 vote.

patsylimerick · 07-11-2010, 08:44 PM

Do you really believe that Dermot was acting unilaterally there? Consider this. The producers knew Katie was last on the public vote. They decided that they would go to Cheryl second and bump her out of the reckoning; then they have a 2 to 1 and away TreyC goes. None of this, IMHO, happens by chance.

Vicky. · 07-11-2010, 08:47 PM

OK, I'm over raging at cheryl for not voting. Kind of. And I realize it was a bit unfair to go to her second, as usually the mentor with two acts in the bottom gets to vote last, taking it to nearly certain deadlock. In fact, I dont think what happened tonight has ever happened before...

Why the change this week?

Was it possibly because Katie was the bottom of the public vote...and the almost certain deadlock with cheryl voting would have removed her?

Not really one for consipracy ****...but why change how things work this week...

Locke. · 07-11-2010, 08:49 PM

Well Cheryl didn't seem to know that it was going to happen the way she reacted... Maybe Dermot just ****ed up?

Niamh. · 07-11-2010, 08:49 PM

absolutely 100% agree, they're saving Katie for some reason, I think she knows someone involved in X factor or something. Why would they do that????

Zippy · 07-11-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Do you really believe that Dermot was asking unilaterally there? Consider this. The producers knew Katie was last on the public vote. They decided that they would go to Cheryl second and bump her out of the reckoning; then they have a 2 to 1 and away TreyC goes. None of this, IMHO, happens by chance.

Whoever makes his decisions my point about Cheryl remains. She didnt need to make such a big decision at that point. I cant remember ever in the past when a judge has been asked to choose between their acts as the second judge. They usually always get left until last. Especially since the deadlock thing.

Dermot even asked Simon who he would have ditched between his acts AFTER the decision had been made(when he had two acts in sing off). So he(or voices in his ear) is clearly sh!tstirring for no good reason other than drama.

Vicky. · 07-11-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke.

Well Cheryl didn't seem to know that it was going to happen the way she reacted... Maybe Dermot just ****ed up?

Hmm maybe. never thought of that, but then surely someone would have shouted at him in his earpiece telling him to move to someone else :S

Novo · 07-11-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

absolutely 100% agree, they're saving Katie for some reason, I think she knows someone involved in X factor or something. Why would they do that????

LOL!!!!!!!!!

I've heard it all you bitter little thing

Kerry · 07-11-2010, 08:51 PM

Not sure why they changed the voting order but I knew she would not vote. Infact said it here at home that I could guarentee she wouldn't. To be fair other judges in the past have done the same. Even Simon

fruit_cake · 07-11-2010, 08:52 PM

I think Dermot was shaken up and disorientated from Simon's blanking earlier on in the show and made a mistake going straight to Cheryl accidentally

patsylimerick · 07-11-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy

Whoever makes his decisions my point about Cheryl remains. She didnt need to make such a big decision at that point. I cant remember ever in the past when a judge has been asked to choose between their acts as the second judge. They usually always get left until last. Especially since the deadlock thing.

Dermot even asked Simon who he would have ditched between his acts AFTER the decision had been made(when he had two acts in sing off). So he(or voices in his ear) is clearly sh!tstirring for no good reason other than drama.

But my point was that Cheryl going second was part of the script, a script that ensured TreyC went, which is "right up Cheryl's street".

MissKittyFantastico · 07-11-2010, 08:52 PM

Her staged shock at them coming to her second pissed me off too, they think we're stupid.

Why would they change the order, they usually come to the judge with two acts in the bottom last so why did it change this time?

Katie messed up her sing off song, and Simon always says he bases it on that, so why change THAT this week as well? The public don't like her, she's been bottom three times now. Pisstake.

Wagner to win.

Mystic Mock · 07-11-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK, I'm over raging at cheryl for not voting. Kind of. And I realize it was a bit unfair to go to her second, as usually the mentor with two acts in the bottom gets to vote last, taking it to nearly certain deadlock. In fact, I dont think what happened tonight has ever happened before...

Why the change this week?

Was it possibly because Katie was the bottom of the public vote...and the almost certain deadlock with cheryl voting would have removed her?

Not really one for consipracy ****...but why change how things work this week...

dont forget it was a bottom 3 this week but they changed it in the last miniute,hmmm i wonder why.

Jack_ · 07-11-2010, 08:55 PM

It's not Dermot's fault - it's the producer(s) in his ear.

And I don't blame them if they want to save Katie anyway, regardless of my opinion of her, she is interesting and creates headlines. This is exactly what they want. We all know how the show works by now, it's better for the show [in terms of entertainment and press attention] that she stays.

Vicky. · 07-11-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

It's not Dermot's fault - it's the producer(s) in his ear.

And I don't blame them if they want to save Katie anyway, regardless of my opinion of her, she is interesting and creates headlines. This is exactly what they want. We all know how the show works by now, it's better for the show [in terms of entertainment and press attention] that she stays.

But fixing the result...for whatever reason, isn't on though :S

And that is what has happened tonight, unless it was by some chance a genuine mistake by dermot/the producers whatever...but I doubt that

Zippy · 07-11-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

But my point was that Cheryl going second was part of the script, a script that ensured TreyC went, which is "right up Cheryl's street".

well Im not one for conspiracies..

All Tv shows manipulate. Either way they got rid of the act who was least value to the show. Her sing off performance was offkey too so she didnt blast Katie out of the water when she had the chance.

patsylimerick · 07-11-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK, I'm over raging at cheryl for not voting. Kind of. And I realize it was a bit unfair to go to her second, as usually the mentor with two acts in the bottom gets to vote last, taking it to nearly certain deadlock. In fact, I dont think what happened tonight has ever happened before...

Why the change this week?

Was it possibly because Katie was the bottom of the public vote...and the almost certain deadlock with cheryl voting would have removed her?

Not really one for consipracy ****...but why change how things work this week...

I just said much the same in another thread. Maybe they're hanging onto Katie in case their darling Cher ever ends up in the bottom two. They'd give her the old heave ho then.

SocietyIsRuined · 07-11-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Do you really believe that Dermot was acting unilaterally there? Consider this. The producers knew Katie was last on the public vote. They decided that they would go to Cheryl second and bump her out of the reckoning; then they have a 2 to 1 and away TreyC goes. None of this, IMHO, happens by chance.

You're completely correct. I even believe the judges are told after the bottom two are revealed what the public vote is. All smoke and mirrors.

Niamh. · 07-11-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo

LOL!!!!!!!!!

I've heard it all you bitter little thing

she messed up her song...........again, she's w hinging horrible drama queen

Jords · 07-11-2010, 09:00 PM

Great OP, think you hit the nail on the head with tonight's farce Vicky!

GiRTh · 07-11-2010, 09:01 PM

LOL

Zippy, once again, loses sight of the big picture and just decides to praise Cheryl.

Kerry · 07-11-2010, 09:01 PM

How can it be a fix though? Cheryl said she'd have taken it to deadlock had she been last to vote. Plus can nobody remember the crap TV companies got into for vote fixing a year or two ago? Theres no way they can get away with that now

Novo · 07-11-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

she messed up her song...........again, she's w hinging horrible drama queen

Well Unlucky she is here for another week

Jack_ · 07-11-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

But fixing the result...for whatever reason, isn't on though :S

And that is what has happened tonight, unless it was by some chance a genuine mistake by dermot/the producers whatever...but I doubt that

I don't really see how it's 'fixing the result' though. If Cheryl wanted to vote she could have, and let's say she sent home Katie following Simon sending home TreyC, and then Dannii sent home Katie and then Louis sent home TreyC [which is what happened, bar Cheryl's hypothetical vote] - then it would've been Deadlock. Or, Cheryl could've voted to send home TreyC, that would've meant two votes for her, Dannii could've/would've sent home Katie, and then Louis could have done the same also giving Deadlock.

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