[Angus]

Originally Posted by cub

For a lot of racist-minded people any hint of race other than white in your make-up makes you black.

Well it's pretty racist against white people to downplay or downright ignore Obama's white heritage isn't it?

[BB_Eye]

I'm reluctant to dislike him, because he has done a reasonable job reversing the failures of the Bush Administration (just in case anybody forgets which government's policies caused the global financial crisis). Predictably, my main gripe with him turned out to be his reforms, which were not radical enough to kickstart the economy again.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, usually Democrat Presidents seem to get less hated than Republican ones but he has been dipping heavy in the polls the last year,however his cool response to the Libyan affair has boosted his ratings.

His approval rating is 60%.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by angus58

Why do people keep calling him black? He has a white mother and a black father, that makes him mixed race. If anything, he is more representative of the general population than either a wholly black or wholly white President, don't you think?

If people don't like him, I can think of any number of reasons why that might be, all of them totally unrelated to his racial background. For one thing, he's a Democrat, what's not to hate?

Uh, Democrat is an asset, hon.

[letmein]

I was waiting for the first person to use the term "PC" or "Political Correctness". ENOUGH PLAYING THE 'PC' CARD ALREADY! Yeesh! People who use the term 'PC' are almost always bigoted. It's a get out of jail free card response. Most don't even know what it means.

Obama's race only matters to Republicans. They can't shut up about it.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah that's true, the two people who he promised to help most and got him elected, black people and young people, havent had their situation improved at all

And in answer to the question I do think people are reluctant to dislike him yeah. It's true that Bush did all those tax breaks for the rich which he isnt popular for him but most people hated Bush for his foreign policy, and Obama seems no better in that regard; the killing of Bin Laden and the aftermath proved that.

Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by letmein

Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by cub

For a lot of racist-minded people any hint of race other than white in your make-up makes you black.

Would that make me black then as have some Arabic blood in me?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well it's pretty racist against white people to downplay or downright ignore Obama's white heritage isn't it?

Under the rules of segregation in America in the fifties and apartheid in South Africa they used to put up signs saying 'Whites' and 'non-whites'. There were no other distinctions and certainly non for mixed race people . Under those rules the only thing that mattered was if you were fully white. It may well be racist to downplay Obama white background but that how it used to be. Back in the day no one cared how non-white he was they just cared that he was not white.

Regarding his popularity, I thought his approval rating had shot up after he had Bin Laden killed? I think he is quite popular across the board particularly when compared to all the Republican jokers who are likely to run againt him next year.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by letmein

His approval rating is 60%.

He is doing okay then now,guess he'd like it to be a bit more though.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Under the rules of segregation in America in the fifties and apartheid in South Africa they used to put up signs saying 'Whites' and 'non-whites'. There were no other distinctions and certainly non for mixed race people .

Very few places in the USA had signs saying 'Whites' and 'Non-Whites'.

Under those rules the only thing that mattered was if you were fully white. It may well be racist to downplay Obama white background but that how it used to be. Back in the day no one cared how non-white he was they just cared that he was not white.

That is definitely not the case if you listen to Americans (black or white) who are old enough to remember there were tremendous distinctions made between 'light-skinned blacks' and then dark-skinned blacks. In some parts of the USA there were serious cultural divides. You can even read of the 'paper bag' tests at various clubs and bars where one had to be no darker than a paper bag.

Regarding his popularity, I thought his approval rating had shot up after he had Bin Laden killed? I think he is quite popular across the board particularly when compared to all the Republican jokers who are likely to run againt him next year.

He had a boost with Bin Laden but then again people (rightly or wrongly) also seem to associate the original mission and even the military men as a 'Bush' cause. Not that it hurt Obama either.

But he is not popular across the board. He has low approval ratings and I'm not sure why you are saying 'compared to the Republican jokers' because they may not have a 'Messiah' prepared and preordained like Obama was by Democrats,
but,
they have strong players like Herman Cain and Santorum though Christie could be a real big (no pun intended) big deal IF he did run.

I'd say this.. IF (and we have to see how they develop yet) but IF you got a Cain-Christie run against Obama?
Are you REALLY sure Obama would be safe? I'd suggest Cain sends Obama home like a Principal expelling a bad student.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Very few places in the USA had signs saying 'Whites' and 'Non-Whites'.

In America they preferred the term 'coloured'.

That is definitely not the case if you listen to Americans (black or white) who are old enough to remember there were tremendous distinctions made between 'light-skinned blacks' and then dark-skinned blacks. In some parts of the USA there were serious cultural divides. You can even read of the 'paper bag' tests at various clubs and bars where one had to be no darker than a paper bag.

What you're referring to here is a mean by which black people discriminated against them self. I agree there is a distinction made within the community but not under law. The law was very clear.

He had a boost with Bin Laden but then again people (rightly or wrongly) also seem to associate the original mission and even the military men as a 'Bush' cause. Not that it hurt Obama either.

But he is not popular across the board. He has low approval ratings and I'm not sure why you are saying 'compared to the Republican jokers' because they may not have a 'Messiah' prepared and preordained like Obama was by Democrats,
but,
they have strong players like Herman Cain and Santorum though Christie could be a real big (no pun intended) big deal IF he did run.

I'd say this.. IF (and we have to see how they develop yet) but IF you got a Cain-Christie run against Obama?
Are you REALLY sure Obama would be safe? I'd suggest Cain sends Obama home like a Principal expelling a bad student.

Herman Cain? No chance. There's no way the King makers in the media, GOP and the tea party will get behind Cain. He'd make a great President but the people he needs to vote for him will probably never vote for him, for obvious reasons. Mitt Romney is now the front runner with Huckerbee's surprise pull out. Romney is too far in bed with big business to appeal to the people who he needs to vote for him . Not only the GOP not have a pre-ordained candidate they also dont have anyone who is likely to appeal to enough of the country to win. If the GOP dont get their act together and move more toward the center I can see a democrat in the white house for at least the next decade.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

Ok put it this way; an Iraqi team of commandos helicopter into the USA without word, land at George Bush's house and assassinate him then dump his body in the sea. Dont think it would go down to well and Bush is responsible for far more deaths than Bin Laden.

I mean, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it but the fact is it was an unnecessary execution in cold blood. It is incredibly hypocritical for Obama to preach to other countries not to violate international law when he has so blatantly done that here.

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok put it this way; an Iraqi team of commandos helicopter into the USA without word, land at George Bush's house and assassinate him then dump his body in the sea. Dont think it would go down to well and Bush is responsible for far more deaths than Bin Laden.

I mean, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it but the fact is it was an unnecessary execution in cold blood. It is incredibly hypocritical for Obama to preach to other countries not to violate international law when he has so blatantly done that here.

you have a point

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

'Obama is black mascot of Wall Street,' claims university professor in bitter attack on president

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Last updated at 5:35 PM on 19th May 2011


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A leading African American intellectual has reversed his support for Barack Obama, calling the U.S. president 'a black mascot of Wall street'.

Cornel West, a professor at Princeton University's Center for African American Studies, had previously supported Obama and took part in 65 campaign events during the president's election year.

But in an interview that with the website Truthdig, West attacked the president for not being true to his race and dismissed him as 'a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.'


Harsh words: Professor Cornell West, seen here with then-senator Barack Obama on the campaign trail in New York, has turned on the president

West also said: 'I think my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men.

'It’s understandable. As a young brother who grows up in a white context, brilliant African father, he’s always had to fear being a white man with black skin.

'All he has known culturally is white… When he meets an independent black brother, it is frightening.'

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The White House is yet to react to the criticism.

West's comments are a counterpoint to those of the media mogul and presidential hopeful Donald trump, who repeatedly pressured Obama to produce his birth certificate in the 'birther's' row.

The birther movement continue to try to show Obama isn't American enough to be president, while West is now seemingly claiming Obama isn't black enough for his liking.


It's personal: Professor West admitted he feels slighted by the president

West has previously made similar, if less powerful, comments about Obama. In an interview last year with NPR he said he would rather the president were more 'Martin Luther King-like', invoking the name of the most revered civil rights leader.

To answer Trump and the 'birthers', Obama did indeed produce his long-form birth certificate, proving he was born on U.S. soil in Hawaii.

But West's criticism may be harder to refute among black voters.

West, author of the book Race Matters, has a history of being quarrelsome though.

He was formerly a professor at Harvard University but left the institution in 2002 after an argument with its then-president Lawrence Summers.

In the interview with Truthdig he says he feels betrayed on an ideological level but also admits that his motivation for attacking Obama is in part due to personal enmity.

He complained that his phone calls to Obama did not get returned and that he wasn't invited to attend the presidential inauguration, which he watched in a hotel room with his mother and brother.

West said the pair have not spoken in more than a year after West claims Obama gave him a public dressing down at a meeting of the Urban League.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rnel-West.html

I think plenty of people are vocal about not liking him. The question is why do you think he shouldn't be liked?

[BB_Eye]

Guys, stop fighting.

[ElProximo]

Everyone keep in mind Obama is not an African-American in the sense they (yanks) think of that term.
He is descended from slave owners on either side of his family. He has zero relation or ancestry to the founding Black Americans.
Culturally he was raised 100% privileged suburban upper-middle class 'White' though it was quite interesting part of his upbringing was Muslim Indonesian whatever the hell that was with his Step-Dad.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

proof? Hmm don't believe everything your goverment tells you.

there will be more attacks now precisely because the US killed him so...doh!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Zippy

proof? Hmm don't believe everything your goverment tells you.

there will be more attacks now precisely because the US killed him so...doh!

You are asking for proof that Al Quaida was planning more attacks?
You are really going to take a stand against that. This is the thing you are warning people 'not to believe' so easily - that the worlds most prolific terror leader of the world's deadliest para-military murder gang may NOT have been planning more attacks?
Really?
This is what you want to demand proof for. That they may not have been planning any more attacks.
and,
and,
You do insist that there will be MORE attacks BECAUSE Bin Laden was killed?

Well I can tell you this with great certainty - Bin Laden and CO are ALWAYS planning attacks,
but,
One thing we do know is that Bin Laden himself won't be helping them carry out the next one.
Neither will a handful of his high-ranking live-in buddies.

And probably a few others will be out of the 'planning department' after their numbers, USB info was seized.

And while you may not realize it - I suggest what you advocate along these lines ends up killing people.
That you are (unwittingly) part of what helps innocent people get murdered more often.
So carefully consider that.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

ahem

Peter fonda calls obama a traitor

Peter Fonda, producer of a documentary that focuses on the environmental consequences of the BP oil spill, had some harsh words for President Barack Obama.

While at the Cannes Film Festival with his documentary, The Big Fix, the Easy Rider shared his outrage over Obama's handling of the worst oil spill in American history, saying:

"I sent an email to President Obama saying, 'You are a f(expletive) traitor,' using those words… 'You're a traitor, you allowed foreign boots on our soil telling our military — in this case the coastguard — what they can and could not do, and telling us, the citizens of the United States, what we could or could not do'."

He's referring to BP, whose headquarters is in London, as the "foreign boots" and does not have kind words for the company he calls "a bunch of Brits". At a press conference for his film, he continued to say:

"I thought we kicked them out a long time ago. They tried to get back in in 1812, but they didn't make it."

Strong words!

Peter sent the email to the White House last week and we're curious if he'll get a response!

[ElProximo]

Peter Fonda sounds like he might be a weirdo but I thought Dennis Miller (a US pundit) really called this entire BP/Obama thing bang on when he described the USA political mentality like this:
The BP spill really just proves the issues really don't mean as much as whether or not your 'team' is winning or has won.
Had Bush Jr been sitting President during the spill.. SO HELP US ALL THAT EVIL GODDAMN EARTH KILLING NAZI!
HOly **** on a Stick you can just see the placards of the Vampire Bush with oil dripping off his fangs. PROOF Bush and Cheney are EVIL GAIYA MURDERING Darth Vader effing....

But because (in this case) their guy is sitting in the winning spot it isn't something involving the President.
Never mind that it was the Presidents party hard at work for decades that pushed oil rigs far off shore (barely even mentioned) or anything to do with the President.
Really, Obama's name (in any sense of blame or lack) never even came up much at all in any of that.

But as Miller calls it - really this has more to do with 'turf' than anything else. That their guy has the ground. So the issue is important (or not) by that standard.

Anyways, I'm surprised he can get much of a documentary out of the whole thing. It was tragic in lives lost but didn't affect the coast too much.

[Mystic Mock]

I think so,but tbf Bush was in a right winged party when it came to joining the Republicans yet his let more illigal immigrants into america than most democrats ever could.

But yes people are scared to attack a black muslim like Obama because they get called a racist.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I think so,but tbf Bush was in a right winged party when it came to joining the Republicans yet his let more illigal immigrants into america than most democrats ever could.

But yes people are scared to attack a black muslim like Obama because they get called a racist.

He's not a Muslim

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He's not a Muslim

He pretends to the public,but his actual friends are muslims which in secret his a muslim.