[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

I don't even know what to say, it is just so ridiculous I cannot fathom it.

Yeah, I think I need to stop reading this thread tbh, I hate that It's making me feel this angry.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

I genuinely just cannot see your point of view at all Glenn, it is just so wrong.

No it isn't.

Originally Posted by Shaun

Why would she have been going through more than him? Because she's a woman?

Why wouldn't she? She grew the child inside her. A bond the father couldn't rival.

[Glenn.]

What exactly can't anyone understand? Please enlighten me, I'm dying to know.

[Ammi]

Imo the father and mother wouldn't be going through the same thing...that's the thing about grief..it's personal..it can't be shared..and everyone's grief is their own..only theirs. They would both grieve for the same reason but it wouldn't be the same grief...and neither of them may have been able to help the other..the death of a child isn't something that a couple can 'share'...like the birth of a child.

..his 15 year old son committed suicide too..it's interesting that only the father is being discussed

[Marsh.]

I just think it's very difficult to make judgement either way considering none of us actually know these people and the details of their lives.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I think I need to stop reading this thread tbh, I hate that It's making me feel this angry.

now you know why i got out so early. :P


this is the kinda sheet that gets me banned every time.

Say your peace, every word, and then don't look back. That's what i do.

some topics with some people you know you cannot argue with. It sounds horrible but it's true, some people are literally just dumb. Some topics are obviously witch hunts, some topics are obviously genocide. You have to recognize them right away. Just post a big old lecture and get the F OUT. it's the only way.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Theres a huge difference between natural death and simply taking your own because you feel there is no other way out. And of course it's a waste of life. How can it not be? Just because there is abundance of life on the planet, it doesn't excuse the situation. The mans wife would of been going through if not more so what he was going through. And forgive me he couldn't of been in that much of a bad state to update his Facebook status mere minutes before he hung himself. Life is a precious thing. Good things happen and bad things happen. It's what defines us and I simply refuse to accept this immoral action as anything less than selfish. I'm sorry, I don't have any sympathy for people that kill themselves and leave devastation and pain behind.

Life might be a precious thing to you, but to some people it is nothing but a burden. Why can you not see that?

[Marsh.]

Don't think it's fair to call him dumb lostalex. It's just two extremely different perspectives on a situation.

[Shaun]

[InOne]

Tragic case for all involved

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Imo the father and mother wouldn't be going through the same thing...that's the thing about grief..it's personal..it can't be shared..and everyone's grief is their own..only theirs. They would both grieve for the same reason but it wouldn't be the same grief...and neither of them may have been able to help the other..the death of a child isn't something that a couple can 'share'...like the birth of a child.

..his 15 year old son committed suicide too..it's interesting that only the father is being discussed

You are absolutely right Ammi. There is that element of guilt involved also - he probably felt he had failed his child, and I can't imagine how awful that must be. It's something you can't even begin to empathise with unless you have children yourself. If, god forbid, one of my kids, to whom I gave life, deliberately ended it, I would be in such pain and self loathing about my failure as a parent, that I can't even begin to explain how desperate and heart broken I would be.

[lostalex]

F Canada.

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

[Glenn.]

No ones digging a except for his distraught wife for her dead husband

[Shaun]

oh jesus christ glenn...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

No ones digging a except for his distraught wife for her dead husband

Inappropriate joke for something you seemed to be taking extremely seriously a few posts back.

[Glenn.]

I just can't quite believe I'm being ridiculed because I don't condone suicide.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I just can't quite believe I'm being ridiculed because I don't condone suicide.

It's academic - I doubt whether anyone in such terrible pain would give a stuff about whether you or anyone else condones their actions or not. As for his wife, if her life is so precious to her, she will be able to carry on. We all of us deal with our grief differently. I have had many occasions in my life when I would have gladly ended it all, but I could not bring myself to do it. But that's MY choice, and I certainly wouldn't feel the need to run my decisions about my own body and my own life past anyone, ever. If there's one thing of which I am certain, it is that I, and I alone, own my body, mind and soul.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I just can't quite believe I'm being ridiculed because I don't condone suicide.

umm, who condoned suicide?

[lostalex]

just watch the youtube clips i posted, it's hilarious watching howard ridicule the canadians on his first day in the canadian market.

can't we all just get along and ridicule canadians?

[MTVN]

What's it got to do with suicide

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What's it got to do with suicide

nothing, i'm just trying to lighten up the mood, and stop people from arguing over something that meansNOTHING because the guy is DEAD.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, who condoned suicide?

The mere fact that people are shooting down my opinions on suicide?

[Marsh.]

Lostalex trying to diffuse the tension in a thread? Have you been taking classes?

And, uh, I like Canadians.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I just think it's very difficult to make judgement either way considering none of us actually know these people and the details of their lives.

...that is exactly right. No parent ever believes they will outlive their children. If you lose a child to cancer, you could channel your grief through helping other similar families and fundraising... if your child was murdered, you could focus your grief on the capture/conviction/sentencing...and you could hate the murderer..hate is a focus, a channel....if you lost your child through suicide....you could focus on the 'reason'..help bully victims...

...you could do that...if you were able to channel your grief...if you were able to focus on another aspect...people always say 'take your mind off' ..'keep busy' .....

...but you have to be able to do that. You have to know how to do that...you have to be able to be able to find a reason..a cause..something you feel strongly enough about to be able to channel your emotions into...at a time when you have very little strength to put one foor in front of the other...

...you could argue, that if he hadn't of committed suicide...maybe in a month...6 months...a year....things may have seemed different to him...he may have found a channel...

...but this was the cards he was dealt...this was the reality of his life...this was the despair he felt...there was no 'future' for him...there was only a 'now'...and he obviously felt that was the only channel he had

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Think of this situation.

A child killer gets life in prison for murdering a 6yr old. He kills himself. What would your view be on that?

They dont get life!!!!and they rarely kill themselves IF they do I say it's great they at least had a conscience about what they did,IF that is the reason they did it,and nice that they saved us loads of money and imo suicide is NOT a cowards way out it is usually desperation.