[Ammi]

...women to get the right to check abusive partners' criminal records.

Women who use the internet to seek boyfriends will win the right to force the police to reveal if they have a history of violence under plans being considered by Home Secretary Theresa May.
The controversial move is in response to fears that the growing phenomenon of internet dating means more and more women are going out with men whose backgrounds they know little about.
The proposal has been called ‘Clare’s Law’, after the horrific killing of 36-year-old mother Clare Wood by a man she met on Facebook. George Appleton strangled Ms Wood and set her body on fire before hanging himself

Friends and family were shocked to discover that the killer had a history of violence against women, including repeated harassment, threats and the kidnapping at knifepoint of one of his other ex-girlfriends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-records.html

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...women to get the right to check abusive partners' criminal records.

Women who use the internet to seek boyfriends will win the right to force the police to reveal if they have a history of violence under plans being considered by Home Secretary Theresa May.
The controversial move is in response to fears that the growing phenomenon of internet dating means more and more women are going out with men whose backgrounds they know little about.
The proposal has been called ‘Clare’s Law’, after the horrific killing of 36-year-old mother Clare Wood by a man she met on Facebook. George Appleton strangled Ms Wood and set her body on fire before hanging himself

Friends and family were shocked to discover that the killer had a history of violence against women, including repeated harassment, threats and the kidnapping at knifepoint of one of his other ex-girlfriends

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-records.html

I think this is a good law to have,at least if a woman knows about a partners past she can at least then bale out before any harm is done.

[Kizzy]

It is a really good idea, as parents we warn our kids about the dangers of the internet but dont think it can happen to anyone at any age. Only thing is would a preditor use their real name?
I would never add someone on FB i didn't know.

[Marc]

Good idea obviously. Hopefully the police will just say 'yes' then explain or just 'no' though as it's a little too revealing and probing

But it wont stop a first time offender killing/raping/hurting a woman.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

in the mean time maybe people should stop meeting strangers from the internet

[Kizzy]

You may have a point, that 'dating' site advertised on TV is a bit creepy, where she walks out the door in her bra and pants?...How safe can it be joining a site that encourages people to meet up for sex?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by kizzy

You may have a point, that 'dating' site advertised on TV is a bit creepy, where she walks out the door in her bra and pants?...How safe can it be joining a site that encourages people to meet up for sex?

that website is designed ESPECIALLY for naughtiness, mind you.

Only girls who really want to go out and 'have it away' will join that. Usually the ugly ones or the *****s

[Ammi]

....Interestingly, the charity 'Refuge' have condemned it as they say it's barely workable and dangerous and open to data mismanagement.
...and yes Scott, you are right..it seems that simple...but I guess it's the 'vulnerable' who could be drawn in...people who are too trusting and perhaps live an isolated life.

...another thing....if a woman did seek the information and then confronted the guy with it...would that in itself lead to a violent reaction....

hmmm...tricky

[Livia]

Where can men check out questionable women? Or are we to assume that all women are well-balanced mentally and completely non-violent? If that is the case, what of the 90,000 or so women who are arrested every year for violent crimes? Is their history to remain confidential? And if so, why?

In a court, if you're charged with a crime, in most cases the jury will not be told about previous convictions because it may prejudice the case. But aparently, if you want to check someone out on a dating site, you can have access - so long as you're a woman checking up on a man. Sounds like some misguided feminist bull**** to me.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

Where can men check out questionable women? Or are we to assume that all women are well-balanced mentally and completely non-violent? If that is the case, what of the 90,000 or so women who are arrested every year for violent crimes? Is their history to remain confidential? And if so, why?

In a court, if you're charged with a crime, in most cases the jury will not be told about previous convictions because it may prejudice the case. But aparently, if you want to check someone out on a dating site, you can have access - so long as you're a woman checking up on a man. Sounds like some misguided feminist bull**** to me.

..I didn't realise that..I assumed it would apply to botha and was only named as such because of this particular case..yes, woman can be both perpertrators and accomplices in horrific cases...is it gender specific then?...I mean with CRB's, they apply to both sexes

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Where can men check out questionable women? Or are we to assume that all women are well-balanced mentally and completely non-violent? If that is the case, what of the 90,000 or so women who are arrested every year for violent crimes? Is their history to remain confidential? And if so, why?

In a court, if you're charged with a crime, in most cases the jury will not be told about previous convictions because it may prejudice the case. But aparently, if you want to check someone out on a dating site, you can have access - so long as you're a woman checking up on a man. Sounds like some misguided feminist bull**** to me.

Good point Livia, it should absolutely work both ways

[Kizzy]

Im sure if a fella was to request the information he wouldn't be denied it.

[Marc]

Livia I don't mean to make your serious point a joke but of those 90,000 women how many of those are just drunken idiots on nights out, I could count about 100 whenever I go out on the razz!
Obviously this doesn't make it okay if they're drunk, but was just wondering whether it was a domestic situation or just a drunken mistake/anger.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marc

Livia I don't mean to make your serious point a joke but of those 90,000 women how many of those are just drunken idiots on nights out, I could count about 100 whenever I go out on the razz!
Obviously this doesn't make it okay if they're drunk, but was just wondering whether it was a domestic situation or just a drunken mistake/anger.

How many men with violent histories are just drunken idiots? Or do you think that getting drunk and being violent is somehow acceptable?

Claire's Law concentrates on men with a "history of violence". How are we going to differentiate? Is it acceptable to date a man who's glassed someone when drunk, but not someone who slapped his girlfriend when drunk?

I am uncomfortable with people's criminal records being available on demand to anyone. Where will it stop? How about having people's medical histories available for public scrutiny in case they're HIV positive, or have some kind of STD?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Im sure if a fella was to request the information he wouldn't be denied it.

Really? You're sure?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many men with violent histories are just drunken idiots? Or do you think that getting drunk and being violent is somehow acceptable?

Claire's Law concentrates on men with a "history of violence". How are we going to differentiate? Is it acceptable to date a man who's glassed someone when drunk, but not someone who slapped his girlfriend when drunk?

I am uncomfortable with people's criminal records being available on demand to anyone. Where will it stop? How about having people's medical histories available for public scrutiny in case they're HIV positive, or have some kind of STD?

I do see your point and posted it because I'm undecided on this myself..it is an interesting one but certainly not simple or straightforward

Edit: I hadn't realised it only applied to one sex...which I find....incredible

[MTVN]

Yeah I agree with Livia on this one, I'm a bit wary of this law to say the least

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many men with violent histories are just drunken idiots? Or do you think that getting drunk and being violent is somehow acceptable?

Claire's Law concentrates on men with a "history of violence". How are we going to differentiate? Is it acceptable to date a man who's glassed someone when drunk, but not someone who slapped his girlfriend when drunk?

I am uncomfortable with people's criminal records being available on demand to anyone. Where will it stop? How about having people's medical histories available for public scrutiny in case they're HIV positive, or have some kind of STD?

Yeah, I kind of agree with that tbh. Maybe the police should only be able to tell the potential partner if the person has ever been charged with domestic abuse and that's it, no handing over of actual records or no more details given out?

I think this is an infringement of civil liberties, and is an example of how isolated/rare events can cause mass hysteria and panic to set in amongst society.

How many men with no history of any of these kinds of things have turned out to rape/murder the women in their lives? This system isn't foolproof at all, and if there are men out there, that are being marginalised by society due to a prosecution, then how do we think these frustrations will manifest themselves onto society?

I've never raised my finger to a woman, but if I was being attacked by a woman, and in the ensuing struggle of me defending myself, I pushed her away and she fell and hurt herself, why should that mean that I would potentially be unable to have any women want to go out with me?

It would be better to empower/educate people of what to do at the first signs of m2f aggression. Some men will always murder/rape women, just like they have throughout history. What happens if I finish with a girl who doesn't take it too well, and reports me to the police for abusing her, knowing full well that it would cost me the chance of future happiness.

[Kizzy]

It would be discriminatory if not surely? And i only agree if the convictions are live and not 'spent' convictions of domestic violence.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I think this is an infringement of civil liberties, and is an example of how isolated/rare events can cause mass hysteria and panic to set in amongst society.

How many men with no history of any of these kinds of things have turned out to rape/murder the women in their lives? This system isn't foolproof at all, and if there are men out there, that are being marginalised by society due to a prosecution, then how do we think these frustrations will manifest themselves onto society?

I've never raised my finger to a woman, but if I was being attacked by a woman, and in the ensuing struggle of me defending myself, I pushed her away and she fell and hurt herself, why should that mean that I would potentially be unable to have any women want to go out with me?

It would be better to empower/educate people of what to do at the first signs of m2f aggression. Some men will always murder/rape women, just like they have throughout history. What happens if I finish with a girl who doesn't take it too well, and reports me to the police for abusing her, knowing full well that it would cost me the chance of future happiness.

Yeah, great points actually

[Kizzy]

2 women every week are murdered by a partner/ex partner.

Originally Posted by kizzy

2 women every week are murdered by a partner/ex partner.

That wouldn't change with the introduction of this law.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I think this is an infringement of civil liberties, and is an example of how isolated/rare events can cause mass hysteria and panic to set in amongst society.

How many men with no history of any of these kinds of things have turned out to rape/murder the women in their lives? This system isn't foolproof at all, and if there are men out there, that are being marginalised by society due to a prosecution, then how do we think these frustrations will manifest themselves onto society?

I've never raised my finger to a woman, but if I was being attacked by a woman, and in the ensuing struggle of me defending myself, I pushed her away and she fell and hurt herself, why should that mean that I would potentially be unable to have any women want to go out with me?

It would be better to empower/educate people of what to do at the first signs of m2f aggression. Some men will always murder/rape women, just like they have throughout history. What happens if I finish with a girl who doesn't take it too well, and reports me to the police for abusing her, knowing full well that it would cost me the chance of future happiness.

..this is one of my biggest concerns...it seems to me there are a surprisingly large amount of cases where the man is later proved innocent....what happens in those cases...

[Kizzy]

It won't, and it shouldn't make decent men paranoid if an incident occured and you found yourself in the situation you described your plea would be reasonable force, and it would stop there. On the other hand if you were a convicted abuser of women, then like sarahs law in place to protect children your history of crimes against women will be divulged to your current partner on her request.