[Angus]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So the docs say. They also say carrots give you cancer. Doesnt stop people eating them though. Most recently they have decided ecstasy may cure cancer too...should all cancer sufferers go and get off their faces? I believe in everything in moderation..and seriously cant see what harm a couple of ciggies a day will do. Yea if someone proper chainsmoked throughout the pregnancy it would be a problem...but a few wont make a difference at all IMO. If she smoked a lot before getting pregnant, and has cut down, its better than stopping outright, as the latter would send her stress levels through the roof, which also harms babies People are way too judgemental when it comes to smoking. My sis had people stopping her in the street when she was pregnant moaning about it. I bet they wouldnt go into mc donalds and moan on at a pregnant person eating a load of junk food...which is just as bad really...

Four cigarettes in two hours is hardly "a couple of ciggies". At that rate she is on around 20 a day. Hardly moderation is it? If she doesn't care enough about the potential risks to her unborn child or herself, for that matter, then she's hardly a great advert for a caring mother either. And I speak as someone who gave up a 30 a day habit so I know exactly how hard it is to give up. Having my kids gave me the impetus and motivation to kick the habit for good - I certainly never wanted them to see me with a fag in my hand all the time, nor subject them to second hand smoking.

I will be as "judgmental" as I wish on a public forum - or are we not supposed to offer our opinions on stories in the news? It's a far cry from accosting individuals in the street to harrass them - that's just plain rude, unless of course they are infringing my personal space by forcing me to breath in their exhaled smoke. Then I will have my say. Sadly unborn babies and children don't have the option to protest do they?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

but you have to give your children the best possible chance, life is hard enough as it is without taking percentage chances with their whole life, and for what? for a cigarrette?

Thing is though, so many things people do are bad for babies. Eating rubbish food, being stressed, even exercise sometimes. But you dont see people going hysterical... as if the pregnant woman just punched herself in the stomach when she eats a pizza or whatever, yet you do with smoking...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Angus

Four cigarettes in two hours is hardly "a couple of ciggies". At that rate she is on around 20 a day. Hardly moderation is it? If she doesn't care enough about the potential risks to her unborn child or herself, for that matter, then she's hardly a great advert for a caring mother either. And I speak as someone who gave up a 30 a day habit so I know exactly how hard it is to give up. Having my kids gave me the impetus and motivation to kick the habit for good - I certainly never wanted them to see me with a fag in my hand all the time, nor subject them to second hand smoking.

I will be as "judgmental" as I wish on a public forum - or are we not supposed to offer our opinions on stories in the news? It's a far cry from accosting individuals in the street to harrass them - that's just plain rude, unless of course they are infringing my personal space by forcing me to breath in their exhaled smoke. Then I will have my say. Sadly unborn babies and children don't have the option to protest do they?

Another with a victim complex it seems. I merely offered my own opinion. I suppose I should refrain from doing so in future incase someone takes it as me saying they arent allowed to offer opinions. Will leave this now before my words get twisted again

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Strangely I can't remember her smoking in IAC..she must have though.

I don't think she did, unless they just choose not to show any bits where she may have smoked? But if she managed to give up smoking during IAC, she had the willpower, then she could surely manage it during her pregnancy if she wants to?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Suze

I don't think she did, unless they just choose not to show any bits where she may have smoked? But if she managed to give up smoking during IAC, she had the willpower, then she could surely manage it during her pregnancy if she wants to?

..I was wondering if I had missed it...smokers are usually shown as smokers and it made me wonder if they had edited out her smoking...probably not, smokers have been popular with the public before,,it wouldn't make a difference...reading too much into it LOL

[MTVN]

Not showing her smoking was part of the fix to have her win instead of Dom Joly I think

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Angus

Four cigarettes in two hours is hardly "a couple of ciggies". At that rate she is on around 20 a day. Hardly moderation is it? If she doesn't care enough about the potential risks to her unborn child or herself, for that matter, then she's hardly a great advert for a caring mother either. And I speak as someone who gave up a 30 a day habit so I know exactly how hard it is to give up. Having my kids gave me the impetus and motivation to kick the habit for good - I certainly never wanted them to see me with a fag in my hand all the time, nor subject them to second hand smoking.

I will be as "judgmental" as I wish on a public forum - or are we not supposed to offer our opinions on stories in the news? It's a far cry from accosting individuals in the street to harrass them - that's just plain rude, unless of course they are infringing my personal space by forcing me to breath in their exhaled smoke. Then I will have my say. Sadly unborn babies and children don't have the option to protest do they?

tbf Angus Vicky has just as much right to put down her concerns and not be greated with a torrent of abuse as you do to state your opinions and give her that torrent of abuse imo

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thing is though, so many things people do are bad for babies. Eating rubbish food, being stressed, even exercise sometimes. But you dont see people going hysterical... as if the pregnant woman just punched herself in the stomach when she eats a pizza or whatever, yet you do with smoking...

that's all true but smoking is also bad, two wrongs (or five or six) don't make a right imo

[Angus]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

tbf Angus Vicky has just as much right to put down her concerns and not be greated with a torrent of abuse as you do to state your opinions and give her that torrent of abuse imo

To be fair fruit_cake I have re-read my post and fail to see where I have given Vicky a "torrent of abuse". Now who's playing the victim?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not showing her smoking was part of the fix to have her win instead of Dom Joly I think

..I'm glad I'm not the only cynical one here LOL

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Angus

To be fair fruit_cake I have re-read my post and fail to see where I have given Vicky a "torrent of abuse". Now who's playing the victim?

I don't know who's playing the victim, but a little bit more empathy and less judging might help a bit imo

[Callum]

Originally Posted by Jords

Its a biological fact that reg smokers crave nicotine actually
My mum stopped with me and my bro but everybody is different and some people dont have the will power (dont confuse that with 'choose') to fight the craving.

Yeah but people can quit smoking, they just have to want to quit. If they don't truly want to quit then it's impossible.

[Jarrod]

Not being funny, but ultimately it's her choice what she does. It's not right that the public plaster down a image. If she wanted to smoke, let her.

[Ammi]

Is this thread about Stacey Soloman smoking or an anti smoking thread...if it's about Stacey, who are we to judge, if her baby isn't fine and it's because she has smoked, she will have to live with it...ideally, she should give up but everyone's different and she doesn't suddenly become a different person because of it.....if it's an anti smoking thread, the title is misleading for anyone who may/may not want to join

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Is this thread about Stacey Soloman smoking or an anti smoking thread...if it's about Stacey, who are we to judge, if her baby isn't fine and it's because she has smoked, she will have to live with it...ideally, she should give up but everyone's different and she doesn't suddenly become a different person because of it.....if it's an anti smoking thread, the title is misleading for anyone who may/may not want to join

in fairness, it's not her that will have to live with it, it's the child who will have to live with it.

[Callum]

Youtube video

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

in fairness, it's not her that will have to live with it, it's the child who will have to live with it.

I accept that but we don't know if the child will be affected and it's not for us to judge

[Marsh.]

Yet Kerry Katona snorts the white stuff AND WINS the bloody thing. Hypocrisy gone mad.

The credibility of these so called awards is out the window when they nominate Victoria never-done-a-hard-days-work Beckham.

[thesheriff443]

iv never seen a horse smoke before

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Again, perhaps I'm the only one but...I really don't give a sh*t (about the story itself, not you posting it bbfan ).

No worries Jack.

[bbfan1991]

I do not agree with pregnant women smoking, although some still do it knowing the risks but it is obviously hard for them to stop.

[bbfan1991]

She is doing media interviews tomorrow and is represented by Max Clifford, so the silly girl is going to create more publicity and make things worse for herself.

[Jordan.]

Just seen her interview on this morning and feel bad for her. Why do people act like they care about the health of her baby from smoking yet feel it's okay to put massive stress on her by putting her face on the front of newspapers and slagging her off saying she's a bad mum. Surely that's just as bad as having a couple of cigs a day.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Callum

Er, yes they can they just choose not too. The whole some people can't quit smoking argument is bull**** (not aiming that at you btw just in general).

Some doctors recommend that pregnant women who smoke cut way down rather than quit completely as the the stress of trying to quit can be more harmful then a couple of cigarettes a day.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

She is doing media interviews tomorrow and is represented by Max Clifford, so the silly girl is going to create more publicity and make things worse for herself.

Kerching!