[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Unbelievable. You gotta love racist people.

I hope you are not accusing me there?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by SoBig

You can't be ****ing serious. You don't see anything wrong EXCEPT the use of the N-word?

I've heard it all.

Shame on you.

Stop being so reactionary, we hear bits and bats of a convo...nothing more.
Why shame on me?...Its my opinion on what i heard, if you don't like it then theres nothing i can do about that. Theres no need to assume the moral high ground though.
Im glad you have heard it all, I haven't...Im learning all the time.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tbh I think people often offer too simplistic explanations for the riots, just reducing it down to "chavs wanting new trainers" or something like that, when a study was done into the causes behind the rioting the results actually showed that anger at the police was a significant factor driving it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-6272448.html

Policing was a factor....but it was not the MAIN factor was it?...
I see what king anton means...The media can be so tricky in deflecting the REAL issue...Lets see from that article what 86% of those questioned thought were the reasons behind the riots?...

''Out of those questioned, 85% said policing was an "important" or "very important" factor in why the riots happened.

It was second only to poverty, which saw 86% of rioters class it as one of the main causes of the four consecutive nights of unrest during the summer.''

Poverty...Thats the real reason.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Policing was a factor....but it was not the MAIN factor was it?...
I see what king anton means...The media can be so tricky in deflecting the REAL issue...Lets see from that article what 86% of those questioned thought were the reasons behind the riots?...

''Out of those questioned, 85% said policing was an "important" or "very important" factor in why the riots happened.

It was second only to poverty, which saw 86% of rioters class it as one of the main causes of the four consecutive nights of unrest during the summer.''

Poverty...Thats the real reason.

Well no I didn't say it was the main reason, and a couple posts down I even quoted that exact same bit of the article you did

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well no I didn't say it was the main reason, and a couple posts down I even quoted that exact same bit of the article you did

So you did, sorry MTVN...
I got a bit distracted haha, its not unusual though i bet for someone who has been arrested to not like the police lol.

[Brother Leon]

[QUOTE=kizzy;5051983]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

You probably think the Riots started because "Teens saw a chance to steal trainers" or some other lies the Government & Media taught you. I fully understand why there was the need for it, and although alot of people went through it the wrong way, they were not by any means the biggest villains throughout the whole thing which they are being painted as

Don't try to second guess what im thinking....
99.9% of rioters didn't have a clue why they did it... Im well aware of social issues but the riots did nothing but reaffirm what some believe that they are the 'dregs of society'.

You should actually research what you are talking about rather than relying on what you hear from Cameron and Clegg.


It's all good though. There is certain to be people who blame the "chavs"
Good day.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=King_Anton;5052141]

Originally Posted by kizzy

You should actually research what you are talking about rather than relying on what you hear from Cameron and Clegg.


It's all good though. There is certain to be people who blame the "chavs"
Good day.

?
im sure you have either misquoted me or completely disregarded everything I said ...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

btw just in case anybody read my last posts in this thread (no lol) i wasn't trying to justify or find excuses for racism-of course not.

what i was trying to say was, on a wider scale of things there will always be racists out there, but many things happening in the society around the different cultures causes racists to finally act upon their racism ie the woman in the bus.

even if you go all the way back 1909, the lynching of will james in cairo illinois. will was apparently a criminal who was set to face legal justice but a mob of thousands white men just couldnt wait, they broke into his prison, grabbed him to be lynched in front of 10, 000 "spectators" in the centre of that town, like a circus act. the rope broke so they shot him 100 times, then cut his head off and put it on a pole...... many of those happened around those times, then the photos of the lynched bodies sold as postcards. the worst seems to be lynching of jesse washington. google if you want
a woman at the lynching explained that they had tolerated the rising number of blacks for long enough, along with their behaviors-that is why the lynching of will james had been "salutary"

some reasons for acts of racism are similar to what it was back then i expect things to get worst and worst but hopefully i'm wrong otherwise i aint having no kids

[Kizzy]

To be fair we have come a long way in terms of multiculturalism since 1909....

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by kizzy

To be fair we have come a long way in terms of multiculturalism since 1909....

lol. but some of the basic roots for racism seem to be same. Again refer back to the woman in the bus "look at the bus-it's filled with them" (paraphrasing) versus the woman in 1909 justifying the lynching

[InOne]

Well it's good he was caught out. Far too many things are covered up by the police in order to protect their own.

[Vicky.]

Is this thread a pisstake? I'm actually being serious too :S

On topic, yes it is most definitely police racism.

[Redway]

Are you being serious ir just taking the piss? Genuine question. You know fully well that's extremely racist. You don't need someone pointing that out to you. You KNOW you don't.

[Kizzy]

Its not a pisstake, and it was serious....
Read back, anything else I say will just be a repeat of things i've said.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I hope you are not accusing me there?...

I stand behind my comment. A person would have to be extremely racist to not see those comments as being racist.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I stand behind my comment. A person would have to be extremely racist to not see those comments as being racist.

I have to agree with this. I don't think it's even debatable tbh, it's a fact that his comments were racist.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I stand behind my comment. A person would have to be extremely racist to not see those comments as being racist.

You would have to quite ignorant to not take into account all the comments I have made on this topic...
And its really rude of you to accuse me of racism.
I asked for opinions.... not abuse.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have to agree with this. I don't think it's even debatable tbh, it's a fact that his comments were racist.

Are you accusing me of racism too?...

[MTVN]

I think that, if you deny this policeman did much wrong, then you are at least being an apologist for racism

[Kizzy]

Im not..I have explained my point over the last 4 pages. Why that marks me out as a racist is beyond me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Are you accusing me of racism too?...

I'm not accusing you of anything but I do agree that if someone thinks what the Policeman said wasn't racist then they are probably racist themselves yes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Is this thread a pisstake? I'm actually being serious too :S

On topic, yes it is most definitely police racism.

This isn't an issue to laugh at in any way I knpw racism is a serious matter.

However Vicky you are really a tonic, where have you been lately, I love the way you make a blunt post on a topic.
I can almost see the frustration you must feel, yet your blunt responses really cheer me up,

They are really classic. Please never lose your humour and I know you likely weren't being humerous but I loved your response here.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This isn't an issue to laugh at in any way I knpw racism is a serious matter.

However Vicky you are really a tonic, where have you been lately, I love the way you make a blunt post on a topic.
I can almost see the frustration you must feel, yet your blunt responses really cheer me up,

They are really classic. Please never lose your humour and I know you likely weren't being humerous but I loved your response here.

Cheers joey, been working a lot recently so havent been able to get on much

Thanks though (and your cheques in the mail )

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not accusing you of anything but I do agree that if someone thinks what the Policeman said wasn't racist then they are probably racist themselves yes.

Well, im not niamh, and I really resent that ...
Im 40yrs old and can appreciate that you cannot write someone off or make presumptions on their character after hearing 20 seconds of a partial conversation.
I may be playing devils advocate, but i refuse to be labelled due to my questioning of this audio recording.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well, im not niamh, and I really resent that ...
Im 40yrs old and can appreciate that you cannot write someone off or make presumptions on their character after hearing 20 seconds of a partial conversation.
I may be playing devils advocate, but i refuse to be labelled due to my questioning of this audio recording.

I don't know why you're taking my comment to someone elses post as a personal attack on your self That's my opinion.