[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Oh dear.

I don't see what your "Oh dear" is about?

Kizzy said she wanted people to respect her right to a view, then you pointed out a previous post where she mentioned people should respect her right to disagree?

What's wrong with that?
I would think it goes without saying that you should show people respect regardless of differing opinion. Do you prefer to just be rude and condescending?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...der-drugs.html

loads of proof it does lead to harder drugs and a collapse in work ethic too

You mean proof that it can lead to harder drugs. That's what it says... the clue's in the words.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I don't see what your "Oh dear" is about?

Kizzy said she wanted people to respect her right to a view, then you pointed out a previous post where she mentioned people should respect her right to disagree?

What's wrong with that?
I would think it goes without saying that you should show people respect regardless of differing opinion. Do you prefer to just be rude and condescending?

......if there is an issue with another member’s comments, then it will be dealt with by the moderators..also the member it was aimed at or any other member has the right to report it.....a post like this offers nothing to the topic or thread...all it does is to incite a situation which takes the thread in an unnecessary direction for anyone who wants to debate the topic and provokes reactions which often become too personal....

[Redway]

Edit - forget it tbh.

[Niamh.]

Yeah ok, as Ammi said posts like these are only going to cause arguments. Can everyone drop it now and stay on topic please?

[Kizzy]

http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7374/1212

Although most young people use cannabis in adolescence without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes. A tenth of the cannabis users by age 15 in our sample (3/29) developed schizophreniform disorder by age 26 compared with 3% of the remaining cohort (22/730). Our findings suggest that cannabis use among psychologically vulnerable adolescents should be strongly discouraged by parents, teachers, and health practitioners. Policy makers and law makers should concentrate on delaying onset of cannabis use

1 in 10... who likes those odds?

This is the British Medical Journals opinion...not mine.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

......if there is an issue with another member’s comments, then it will be dealt with by the moderators..also the member it was aimed at or any other member has the right to report it.....a post like this offers nothing to the topic or thread...all it does is to incite a situation which takes the thread in an unnecessary direction for anyone who wants to debate the topic and provokes reactions which often become too personal....

I did report it...

[Niamh.]

Yeah ok Kizzy, I said to drop it.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by kizzy

http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7374/1212

Although most young people use cannabis in adolescence without harm, a vulnerable minority experience harmful outcomes. A tenth of the cannabis users by age 15 in our sample (3/29) developed schizophreniform disorder by age 26 compared with 3% of the remaining cohort (22/730). Our findings suggest that cannabis use among psychologically vulnerable adolescents should be strongly discouraged by parents, teachers, and health practitioners. Policy makers and law makers should concentrate on delaying onset of cannabis use

1 in 10... who likes those odds?

This is the British Medical Journals opinion...not mine.

You need to look at what groups these studies are targeting. Obviously adolescents and the psychologically vulnerable are asking for problems if, despite everything they're told, persist in smoking cannabis.

Anyway, I've said all I can be arsed saying on this topic. Let's just agree to disagree.

[Stu]

You're absolutely awful at this, Kizzy. I was going to predict your asinine "well why don't we legalise ALL drugs then, Stu?" argument but decided to hold it off and you came up with the goods all nice and predictable.

Let's not sell heroin. You want to know why? Because it's heroin. Not pot. It's not even worth arguing. But apparently none of the points I made were worth arguing either since you side stepped them all entirely and ended up in a puddle of mud at the side of logical argument highway.

I've already dealt with the schizophrenia thing [lengthy post on THC and CBD]. You ignored those points too. A pattern emerges. Go back, find them and address them if you want. I can't be arsed copy and pasting them for your convenience. You can lead a horse to water but you can't change it's insulting, back arsed views on keeping a relatively benign drug illegal and making it even more dangerous.

I'm personally insulted by the idea that you support a system where people like me are considered criminals and are committing a crime punishable by fine or incarceration. Thousands of young people are getting a criminal record under a costly, unwinnable war that makes everything more dangerous for everyone. It won't work. It didn't work with alcohol.

Your opinion sucks. Sincerely.

[Kizzy]

I have backed up my opinion with sources from medical journals.

[the truth]

Theres loads and loads of evidence that proves the link between soft drugs and hard drugs and of course between drugs and crime and generally a decline in living standards and general well being. if youre caught taking pot round these parts youll lose your job in many cases. if its medicated fair enough. Howeverthe next big problem is meow meow meth addiction. cops claim to be targetting it? theyre not.

[Kizzy]

Theres not a lot they can do to be fair, these previously 'legal highs' are sold on the internet in lots of guises. Pool cleaner, plant food all kinds of stuff.
Methodrone is very dangerous.
The police are fighting a losing battle, especially in poor areas you can go out on mcat/meow meow and be steaming on a tenner.....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Theres not a lot they can do to be fair, these previously 'legal highs' are sold on the internet in lots of guises. Pool cleaner, plant food all kinds of stuff.
Methodrone is very dangerous.
The police are fighting a losing battle, especially in poor areas you can go out on mcat/meow meow and be steaming on a tenner.....

the cops are failing everyone.....they could easily raid nightclubs and make 100 arrests, but they choose not to do so, then the rest of society has to pick up the pieces from the insane side effects of these mind altering drugs

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by the truth

Theres loads and loads of evidence that proves the link between soft drugs and hard drugs and of course between drugs and crime and generally a decline in living standards and general well being.

such as? the word 'drug'?

if youre caught taking pot round these parts youll lose your job in many cases.

funny how the law works innit

[Kizzy]

What good would that do?
Take every available officer off the street in one town for one night?....
What about the next town, and the next night?...
It's the source and the distribution methods that could be targetted to prevent so much reaching the streets.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

What good would that do?
Take every available officer off the street in one town for one night?....
What about the next town, and the next night?...
It's the source and the distribution methods that could be targetted to prevent so much reaching the streets.

it would do a lot of good arressting 100 drug takers/drug dealers all in one swoop at nightclubs. any found with enough to supply would be looking up to 5 years in prison. get a few banged up and guess what? in addition to getting these destroyers of communities locked up, there would also many of the other dealers will soon be scared into finding another occupation. the fewer drugs would see a fall in crime. it would also improve the communities and encourage the decent law abiding people to venture into their town centres again

as it stands druggies , takers and pushers , rule the streets, especially late and night and the police turn a blind eye. they dont want the hassle or the paperwork. its time to crack down on the police before we even attempt to crack down on the crack!