[Livia]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

What?
Inform what he said couldn't be classified as "Semi True"

He has a point about how what the witnesses just saw, as horrible as it is.... is what kids and Women have to see everyday in other parts of the world... and alot of it due to UK Soldiers. He's right about the Government and Army involvement in certain countries. He's just an animal for feeling the need to prove his point the way he did and makes his points redundant.

Jesus Christ... Really... try to find your news from something other than social media.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Losing a soldier as a result of battle is one thing. Having him hacked to death in a London street is another. I lost my husband as a result of wounds received in Afghanistan. That was hard enough to cope with, I will never get over it, and trust me, although you are aware of the risks you are never prepared to lose the man you love when you still have your whole life in front of you. However, what this soldier's family will have to deal with is beyond my comprehension. They've already seen pictures of his dead body plastered all over the news, flashed all round the Internet, and diminished by people like you who think people should get a grip and come to terms with this kind of atrocity.

livia im truly sorry you have had this happen to you, for the family of this soldier they will be devastated and for anyone who has lost a loved one thru being murdered.
but we live in a dangerous world.
the images of these events are not under any ones control anymore, and I cant see it changing.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Lee.

... So, did you find the April Jones case shocking?

no, we have seen many of these crimes now, and the sad thing is it wont be the last.

[lime]

The EDL are a strange bunch .I watched one being interviewed last night complaining about muslim women wearing the burka whilst he was wearing a balaclava

[Vanessa]

Looks like there's a Cobra meeting this morning.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

no, we have seen many of these crimes now, and the sad thing is it wont be the last.

I find your lack of empathy sad

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Losing a soldier as a result of battle is one thing. Having him hacked to death in a London street is another. I lost my husband as a result of wounds received in Afghanistan. That was hard enough to cope with, I will never get over it, and trust me, although you are aware of the risks you are never prepared to lose the man you love when you still have your whole life in front of you. However, what this soldier's family will have to deal with is beyond my comprehension. They've already seen pictures of his dead body plastered all over the news, flashed all round the Internet, and diminished by people like you who think people should get a grip and come to terms with this kind of atrocity.

Really appropriate post Livia and full of fact and sensitivity too. I agree with all you have said.
For me, since this barbaric murder was made known last night, all I can think of is the truly horrific end to his life this Soldier had but to also just try to think too how his family must be feeling.

If this were my Brother, cousin friend or for that matter even anyone I just knew,I haven't a single idea how I would start to cope with this.
For his family it must now be a long running living nightmare of the worst possible scale.

(Shark Attack put feeling nauseous in their post above, that is also very appropriate,I feel that every time as more and more of this horror is made known).

Really strong thoughtful post Livia,very well said.

[arista]

The men - one of whom has been named as Michael Adeboloja - were arrested
following the hacking to death of a serving soldier in the
street in Woolwich, southeast London.
Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt
said Adeboloja is a 28-year-old Londoner of Nigerian descent.


http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/wo...-suspect-named

[Kizzy]

This man is just the type recruited into extremist groups easily influenced, disaffected angry young men.
They can then be coerced into acts of terrorism, this is the problem today, the 'enemy' could be anywhere in any guise.

[arista]

Loose women debate it live now

[Kizzy]

I would rather gouge out my eyes with rusty spoons than watch that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would rather gouge out my eyes with rusty spoons than watch that.

come on Kizzy

Janet Street Porter has a fair view

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would rather gouge out my eyes with rusty spoons than watch that.

Same. Make that red hot, rusty spoons in fact

[arista]

at least they talked about it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

come on Kizzy

Janet Street Porter has a fair view

She used to be great...but even she is as bland as them now.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468

Both suspects in the killing of a serving soldier in London were known to security services, senior Whitehall sources have confirmed to the BBC.

One of the suspects is understood to be 28-year-old Muslim convert Michael Adebolajo, according to sources.

According to BBC sources, Mr Adebolajo comes from a devout Christian family but took up Islam after leaving college in 2001.

He was described as "bright and witty" when he was at college.

So, he was only 16 when he was "turned" ....

[arista]

[Suspect identified on internet forums
as Michael Adebolajo
He was filmed ranting with bloodied hands
shortly after the attack
Police raid house thought to be his father's
home in Lincolnshire village
Suspects in attack on a soldier are not
believed to be part of a terror group
Both have been arrested and are being
treated in separate hospitals after being shot by police
David Cameron: 'We will defeat violent extremism by standing together']







Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2U7KUwf00

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Livia

Jesus Christ... Really... try to find your news from something other than social media.

I don't have Twitter or FB. Use Twitter for football news.


Try again.

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2U7QGekwB

Michael Adeboloja, 28, was born in Lambeth, south London, in 1985 to a Christian family of Nigerian descent.

At the age of 15 or 16 he started getting involved in Islam and started to speak about Jihadi ideas.

He joined several extremist groups - including Al Muhajiroun - that were banned in Britain and in 2003 converted to Islam, calling himself Mujaheed while at Marshalls Park School*.

Fearing he had become radicalised, his parents moved him away from Romford to a village in Lincolnshire.

Concerned parents, a comfortable home, a good school - where did it all go wrong for Adeboloja?

* OFSTED :

“The school effectively promotes students’ personal development, which results in a positive, inclusive school environment where staff and students work very well together……Students of all backgrounds get on well together because the school ethos effectively promotes tolerance and understanding…..Good relationships between students and between students and staff, good teacher subject knowledge and focused intervention for students falling behind in their learning are raising attainment”.

WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.

[Kizzy]

I don't think this was part of an 'organised' terrorist plot, the fact it is so shocking is it has that 'amateur' feel to it.
A suicide bomber targeting buildings and planes we are aware of and are prepared for, these random acts of murder we are not.
COBRA will want to know how likely it is for this type of violence to happen again.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.

I also mentioned parents and home .....

[Jack_]

An interesting take on the events

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634095

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.

He isn't saying he was poor or uneducated, he was radicalised at a impressionable age... brainwashed, this is how they work to infiltrate the UK.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by arista

The men - one of whom has been named as Michael Adeboloja - were arrested
following the hacking to death of a serving soldier in the
street in Woolwich, southeast London.
Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt
said Adeboloja is a 28-year-old Londoner of Nigerian descent.


http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/wo...-suspect-named

Yeah. We get it dude. No wonder he done this. He's Nigerian