[Stankleberry]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I am a hot Irish Chick

Women don't go around choking men mostly because they are too weak to be able to. It's not an accomplishment.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stankleberry

Women don't go around choking men mostly because they are too weak to be able to. It's not an accomplishment.

And a guy choking a woman is an accomplishment?

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And a guy choking a woman is an accomplishment?

If it's part of sex play, I guess you can say it is.

Some people have managed to strangle themselves in a bid to heighten their sexual highs, including an MP. But I guess that's too much information! Lol!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

If it's part of sex play, I guess you can say it is.

Some people have managed to strangle themselves in a bid to heighten their sexual highs, including an MP. But I guess that's too much information! Lol!

Again, I really doubt they'd be going straight down that road before they'd even actually had sex with eachother.........

All these people claiming it's part of sex play are obviously virgins who've watched a lot of porn.

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops. I'm flabbergasted by the way some people are excusing a man pinning a women to the bed by her neck, threatening and motioning to headbutt her, whilst missing her by millimeters. I just don't get the reasoning.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops.

Hilarious!

Rather sweet though, in a naive kinda way! Awww.

[the truth]

the trouble is too,, daley is spectacularly dumb, he clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to cope with such a show, so why was he allowed on and why didn't BB step in sooner

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

All these people claiming it's part of sex play are obviously virgins who've watched a lot of porn.

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops. I'm flabbergasted by the way some people are excusing a man pinning a women to the bed by her neck, threatening and motioning to headbutt her, whilst missing her by millimeters. I just don't get the reasoning.

Exactly

[kefln]

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kefln

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.

believe it....he is a nutjob and rightly gone as weve all said 1001 times....but she is a home wrecker, she demanded sexual attention 24/7 she gave him sleep deprivation to start with, she jumped into his bed against his will, she kept grabbing him and thrusting herself on him against his will, she pulled his pants down on national tv against his will, she should have been booted too

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.

Yes, if you don't do that straight away you're obviously a prude..........dontcha know

[kefln]

Originally Posted by the truth

believe it....he is a nutjob and rightly gone as weve all said 1001 times....but she is a home wrecker, she demanded sexual attention 24/7 she gave him sleep deprivation to start with, she jumped into his bed against his will, she kept grabbing him and thrusting herself on him against his will, she pulled his pants down on national tv against his will, she should have been booted too

Well of course. A single woman is always to blame when men cant remember that they have girlfriends, partners, or family responsibly. Its always the womans fault, if she doesnt remind the man that he isnt single.

Its always the womans fault if the man is getting sexually aroused. Its always the womans fault if the man pursues her and she shows interest.

Its always the womans fault if the man grabs her by the throat, threatens to end her and "nut" her.

After all men are completely brainless, and are completely without blame when a woman comes into their line of sight.

Note my complete, and utter, sarcasm in everything said above, then multiply it by an infinite number...

[amu]

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by amu

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

Or maybe putting distance between herself and the man that just hand his hands around her throat...

[courses]

Originally Posted by amu

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

Trouble with that idea is, she IS the victim. How about taking the incident as completely isolated from any previous behaviour from Hazel and Daley, as if it's a court case. Then try to argue that it is Hazel's fault.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Hilarious!

Rather sweet though, in a naive kinda way! Awww.

It's neither sweet or hilarious. It says a lot about you, that anyone suggesting you don't start strangling women as soon as you're alone together is seen as naive. I'm happy with my approach to women and to life, and I'll take it over yours any day of the week.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

All these people claiming it's part of sex play are obviously virgins who've watched a lot of porn.

Sex play generally starts once you've actually had sex and the relationship develops. I'm flabbergasted by the way some people are excusing a man pinning a women to the bed by her neck, threatening and motioning to headbutt her, whilst missing her by millimeters. I just don't get the reasoning.

Agreed. They are all also simply very unaware people.You have already been called naive!! say no more.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by amu

When she moved towards the chair she was playing the victim.

Really LOL Unbelievable !!!!

[Tribal Spaceman]

I just wish they'd both been ejected.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

I just wish they'd both been ejected.

Hazel did nothing to warrant ejection

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by kefln

Cant believe this debate is still going on. And I cant believe that people are still trying to push blame on hazel.

Yes she was flirty. Yes on hind sight she was pushing the envelope.

But taking a girl by the neck, telling her that she needs to learn respect, telling her he was going to end her, forcing her into a pillow and threatening to "nut" her is not exceptable.

For all those saying that it was "roleplay", would you say the same if that was your friend, your sister, your mother, or anyone you knew? No.

Does a build up of flirtation, or sexual tention, mean that physical acts of violence are acceptable? No. Therefore neither are threats.

All we have seen so far between hazel and daley is flirtation, hesitation and a little touchy feely . They havent even properly kissed. Yet people want to believe that they automatically jumped to auto erotic asphyxiation, without discussing it.

Hazel is guilty of being a flirt. But nothing in life prepares you to deal with an aggressive situation like that, without training, or experience. Trying to defuse the situation, or get it back on track, is natural. As is denial. Most people woud react with the thought of "that cant of really happened". For hazel, it was all in good fun. Daley was her friend. She was hopeful that there would be more. She was not expecting his reation.

Defending his actions, trying to shift blame around, result in the same thing. The conclusion that its ok to physically restrain, or hurt, someone, as long as they showed an interest leading up to the point of aggression.

This.

I think Hazels behavior will be under scrutiny and I think she needs to explain some of her comments during the assault but to ultimately shift the blame to her is wrong.

[Tribal Spaceman]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hazel did nothing to warrant ejection

Please stop stating your opinions as facts, it's not polite.

Let's look at Hazel:

i) encouraged Daley to cheat on his girlfriend with her (they are equally to blame here)
ii) engaged in creepy aggressive roleplay with him (again, equals)
iii) egged on and encouraged him even when he started to say frankly quite troubling things (with a smile on her face)
iv) didn't think anything was wrong with the situation until BB called Daley away and made it into an issue (and then went and sat in the corner and thought about how she would be perceived by those watching)

Hazel is a strong, independent woman that does what she wants and gets what she wants. There is no way on this Earth that she'd have let Daley act that way with her if she felt in any way scared or threatened. Give the woman some credit there - she's only known him for a few weeks, it's not like she was in a longterm relationship with him and frightened to leave. Plus she's taking part in a TV gameshow, with cameras filming her every move. If she was frightened she would have done something about it.

The fact that Daley seemingly gets off in acting in an aggressive manner says a lot about his character, but this is a two-way situation and they are both to blame here.

This whole thing is making a mockery of those people who are in real abusive relationships and situations.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

Please stop stating your opinions as facts, it's not polite.

Let's look at Hazel:

i) encouraged Daley to cheat on his girlfriend with her (they are equally to blame here)
ii) engaged in creepy aggressive roleplay with him (again, equals)
iii) egged on and encouraged him even when he started to say frankly quite troubling things (with a smile on her face)
iv) didn't think anything was wrong with the situation until BB called Daley away and made it into an issue (and then went and sat in the corner and thought about how she would be perceived by those watching)

Hazel is a strong, independent woman that does what she wants and gets what she wants. There is no way on this Earth that she'd have let Daley act that way with her if she felt in any way scared or threatened. Give the woman some credit there - she's only known him for a few weeks, it's not like she was in a longterm relationship with him and frightened to leave. Plus she's taking part in a TV gameshow, with cameras filming her every move. If she was frightened she would have done something about it.

This whole situation is making a mockery of those people who are in real abusive relationships and situations.

Despite all that... Niamh was right. Hazel did nothing to warrant being ejected.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Tribal Spaceman

Please stop stating your opinions as facts, it's not polite.

Let's look at Hazel:

i) encouraged Daley to cheat on his girlfriend with her (they are equally to blame here)
ii) engaged in creepy aggressive roleplay with him (again, equals)
iii) egged on and encouraged him even when he started to say frankly quite troubling things (with a smile on her face)
iv) didn't think anything was wrong with the situation until BB called Daley away and made it into an issue (and then went and sat in the corner and thought about how she would be perceived by those watching)

Hazel is a strong, independent woman that does what she wants and gets what she wants. There is no way on this Earth that she'd have let Daley act that way with her if she felt in any way scared or threatened. Give the woman some credit there - she's only known him for a few weeks, it's not like she was in a longterm relationship with him and frightened to leave. Plus she's taking part in a TV gameshow, with cameras filming her every move. If she was frightened she would have done something about it.

The fact that Daley seemingly gets off in acting in an aggressive manner says a lot about his character, but this is a two-way situation and they are both to blame here.

This whole thing is making a mockery of those people who are in real abusive relationships and situations.

I dont think its fair to say that..big brother called him a few seconds after he said he would nut her..I think she had just realised at that moment that he definitely was not flirting. Nothing to do with BB calling him.

[Tribal Spaceman]

I don't think she believes that at all. She saw a way out of the situation, and ran with it. We've already seen from her conversation with Dexter last week that she is extremely concerned with the public's perception of her, especially considering that she is a model. This was her 'Get Out Of Jail' card.

Look how quickly Daley 'switched off' from the situation when he was called into the diary room. If he was as angry as he was making out to be he couldn't have done that, he'd have torn the place to pieces.

I think the thing that's getting people so upset right now is the thought that making Hazel accountable for her actions somehow diminishes Daley's behaviour. It does not. What he did was creepy and tasteless and uncomfortable to watch. But Hazel magnified and encouraged it, and should have been dealt with accordingly. I stand by my belief that they both should have been evicted, or at least punished.