[joeysteele]

I don't really know, my own take on Dexter and those scenario's are that he tires to avoid confrontations but they find him.

Like in the first week, he had an issue with Dan as to Michael but couldn't say it out loud,he chose to initially do it anonymously although admitting it later after it was fully known what had been said.
Of course we had the awkward explanation to Dan of why he did that which again showed up his desire to prefer to avoid confrontational situations.

I have watched him with the other confrontations too, he is there as it goes on usually but says nothing,takes no sides, waiting instead to go to whoever is alone afterwards then getting further info as to it that way.

That may well be a confidence thing, that he feels unable to take on anyone in heavy confrontational situations. I do think it has contributed to his lack of support from the other housemates however.

Being fair, that is not me criticising him for being like that, I see lots of people who avoid confrontation but do have a side they are on,however they only reveal that to the person they agree with rather than stand up for them at the time.

As for the money thing, well he obviously could have taken a much larger amount and it was his saying that he didn't see the £99,000 board that made his argument sound weak and suspect as to that issue.

It is though really hard to work out what Dexter is thinking or why he does things and maybe that is in fact the only sort of gameplan he has, nothing wrong with having a gameplan at all.
However whatever his may be,it hasn't worked that well for him with the other housemates.
It has though seen him survive so many evictions and so clearly has not too badly alienated the public who vote.

I have said from week 2, I take all he says with a pinch of salt.
Rightly or wrongly that may be how the other housemates see things as to him too which will more than likely reduce their trust,if any, in him.

Can he win with the housemates is the question, I'd say probably not but that shouldn't really bother him, he was in effect ostracised and got at from the early days for several weeks by the others, he owes them not a thing really.
He clearly has however had far more success with the public who vote though rather than the housemates and that does have to be to his credit to be fair.

[Kyle]

Why don't you just ask yourself one question, would you like to be around someone who quite clearly completely lied about who they said they were and tried to pull the wool over your eyes?

No, you would tell them to do one. That's why he can't win with the housemates he's completely untrustworthy.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Why don't you just ask yourself one question, would you like to be around someone who quite clearly completely lied about who they said they were and tried to pull the wool over your eyes?

No, you would tell them to do one. That's why he can't win with the housemates he's completely untrustworthy.

Thanks. Thats all I asked.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thanks. Thats all I asked.

Do you expect him to redeem himself or something. Would you trust him?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Do you expect him to redeem himself or something. Would you trust him?

I wouldn't trust him no, but I wouldnt hold something against someone forever either. In a BB situation, you expect a bit of BS. I definitely wouldn't assume that everything he did was a gameplan or everything he said was lies..thats for sure. And thats what the HMs seem to be doing (bar Gina)

Redeem himself? Does it matter? I was only asking if there was any way he could win, thats all. And it appears he cant, as I suspected. So it doesn;t matter what he does, he will get **** for it anyway

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wouldn't trust him no, but I wouldnt hold something against someone forever either. In a BB situation, you expect a bit of BS. I definitely wouldn't assume that everything he did was a gameplan or everything he said was lies..thats for sure. And thats what the HMs seem to be doing (bar Gina)

Redeem himself? Does it matter? I was only asking if there was any way he could win, thats all. And it appears he cant, as I suspected. So it doesn;t matter what he does, he will get **** for it anyway

I didn't think he deserved being ostracised in the first few weeks, and since he's cut the bull the housemates do seem to have built a frail but tangible rappor with him.

Unfortunately though you never forget and I suspect the housemates treat everything he says with a pinch of salt.

I'm sure it doesn't matter for him anyway once he's out he can do what he wants I don't think many of the hm's will want owt to do with him.

[karezza]

Good will prevail - Dexter will win.

[MTVN]

Good point in the first question, it's kinda strange that Charlie was so desperate to go last when it could have meant her leaving being unavoidable and when she was supposedly so adamant that she was always going to take the highest figure available

[MTVN]

It all started I think when he put that anonymous letter in telling Dan to leave Michael alone, and then only owned up to it in a desperate attempt to save himself

It was a fair tactic but did make him seem a bit of a sneaky **** and it backfired when it turned out he'd thrown his lot in with the guy who was an actor and deceiving them all, and not Dan who seemed really vindicated when Michael was unveiled

[jet]

Vicky said:

With Charlie going last, had Dexter picked the highest amount available to him, this would have forced Charlie to have the lowest amount by default. And this would have seen her evicted. She said she didnt want the money, nor did she want to be evicted.

Lets assume the save and replace twist didnt happen, in the interests of this thread. As the housemates had no idea that the twist was that (even though they did think there was a twist to it)

Do you think the housemates would have applauded Dexter for effectively sending Charlie home and remaining in the house himself?

But this didn't even feature in Dexter's list of excuses as to why he chose the lowest amount so it's irrelevant. If Dexter was so smart (and he has shown he isnt') he would have said he picked the lowest so Charlie could pick higher.

But even this wouldn't wash, as there were still numbers between the 99k and the twins pick. So if Dexter had chosen one of them, it was the Twins who would have been walking. So Dexter didn't have to sacrifice himself for Charlie at all - which he clearly didn't even think of doing anyway as he gave 4 different excuses and that wasn't one of them.

The HM's didn't trust him before the money twist, and they are hardly likely to change their minds after that. Many people know instinctively who is trustworthy and who isn't.

[Vicky.]

And that has What to do with my post?^

I dont care about his excuses, I was simply saying IF he had picked the highest one, he would still have been in the wrong in the eyes of the housemates. Well.. until the twist came about anyway, in which case Charlie would find some way to blame him for her having to chose sophie or gina

(And I thought the twins picked the third highest?)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It all started I think when he put that anonymous letter in telling Dan to leave Michael alone, and then only owned up to it in a desperate attempt to save himself

It was a fair tactic but did make him seem a bit of a sneaky **** and it backfired when it turned out he'd thrown his lot in with the guy who was an actor and deceiving them all, and not Dan who seemed really vindicated when Michael was unveiled

Agree with this. That brought on Sallies snake rant, which stuck in everyones heads too.

Still think its silly to assume everything he does (or doesnt do..) is a gameplan though

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I didn't think he deserved being ostracised in the first few weeks, and since he's cut the bull the housemates do seem to have built a frail but tangible rappor with him.

Unfortunately though you never forget and I suspect the housemates treat everything he says with a pinch of salt.

I'm sure it doesn't matter for him anyway once he's out he can do what he wants I don't think many of the hm's will want owt to do with him.

A pinch of salt is fine. Thats understandable given his original plan (which I assume was act up to the horrific wanker he was in his VT )

Its also understandable given how he was in the first week or so..

Its the assuming every little thing he does is a gameplan thats ridiculous to me. And now, it seems to evolve into things he HASNT dont being a gameplan too

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And that has What to do with my post?^

I dont care about his excuses, I was simply saying IF he had picked the highest one, he would still have been in the wrong in the eyes of the housemates. Well.. until the twist came about anyway, in which case Charlie would find some way to blame him for her having to chose sophie or gina

(And I thought the twins picked the third highest?)

Well excuse me for breathing. You had a whole paragraph about Charlie with a question at the end I was was pointing out it was a moot point anyway. I'll avoid responding to you in future in case it doesn't meet with your stringent criteria.
BTW the twins picked the 3rd highest only because Dexter picked the lowest.
Someone on DS posted a screencap of 98250 on the board.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jet

Well excuse me for breathing. You had a whole paragraph about Charlie with a question at the end I was was pointing out it was a moot point anyway. I'll avoid responding to you in future in case it doesn't meet with your stringent criteria.
BTW the twins picked the 3rd highest only because Dexter picked the lowest.
Someone on DS posted a screencap of 98250 on the board.

Ah right. I thought they were trying to get the cash and leave(as they asked this a couple of times when picking) but had been too thick to do the maths properly Seems they did think it through properly but it didnt work due to Dexters decision

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah right. I thought they were trying to get the cash and leave(as they asked this a couple of times when picking) but had been too thick to do the maths properly Seems they did think it through properly but it didnt work due to Dexters decision

They wanted the cash alright. Joe was desperate to leave - or so he said.
Hope this post meets with your approval.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I didn't think he deserved being ostracised in the first few weeks, and since he's cut the bull the housemates do seem to have built a frail but tangible rappor with him.

Unfortunately though you never forget and I suspect the housemates treat everything he says with a pinch of salt.

I'm sure it doesn't matter for him anyway once he's out he can do what he wants I don't think many of the hm's will want owt to do with him.

If I were him I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with any of them either. Why would he, he's been picked on and made fun of all the way through the show.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A pinch of salt is fine. Thats understandable given his original plan (which I assume was act up to the horrific wanker he was in his VT )

Its also understandable given how he was in the first week or so..

Its the assuming every little thing he does is a gameplan thats ridiculous to me. And now, it seems to evolve into things he HASNT dont being a gameplan too

You can blame Dan for that, he must have made everyone paranoid.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

You can blame Dan for that, he must have made everyone paranoid.

Ahh Dan

Theres probably a bit of truth in this actually. Along with blaming BB for the secrets and lies thing and Michael. Paranoia overload

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

If I were him I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with any of them either. Why would he, he's been picked on and made fun of all the way through the show.

Picked on?

The guy made a rod for his own back when he came out acting the billy big boy in the first week. People don't like that.

If I joined this forum and for the first week posted nothing but inane ramblings about how I am so important, the ladies fall to my feet and I make tons of money and someone found out that wasn't true, I would get it in the neck for the entire duration of my time on here and serves me right too.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh Dan

Theres probably a bit of truth in this actually. Along with blaming BB for the secrets and lies thing and Michael. Paranoia overload

Haha I was thinking it when you put what you put before, the guy was relentless about everything. Some things must have stuck on the other housemates.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Picked on?

The guy made a rod for his own back when he came out acting the billy big boy in the first week. People don't like that.

If I joined this forum and for the first week posted nothing but inane ramblings about how I am so important, the ladies fall to my feet and I make tons of money and someone found out that wasn't true, I would get it in the neck for the entire duration of my time on here and serves me right too.

As I see it he has been picked on relentlessly I know he hasn't been perfect, I'm under no illusion that he has, none of them are perfect, but I don't feel he deserves the rotten treatment he has had to endure from them continually right from the word go, especially from the twin Jack. It seems only Charlie & Gina on the odd occasion that has shown some compassion but even they jumped on the bandwagon. Heck, anyone would think he's a murderer, its just ridiculous. They have never let up trying to break him but he hasn't allowed them to.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

As I see it he has been picked on relentlessly I know he hasn't been perfect, I'm under no illusion that he has, none of them are perfect, but I don't feel he deserves the rotten treatment he has had to endure from them continually right from the word go, especially from the twin Jack. It seems only Charlie & Gina on the odd occasion that has shown some compassion but even they jumped on the bandwagon. Heck, anyone would think he's a murderer, its just ridiculous. They have never let up trying to break him but he hasn't allowed them to.

Come on Taz I don't think they are that harsh on him, especially compared to week 2 or 3 where they pretty much ostracised him from the collective.

I'm not sure where I stand on this 'break him' thing though because yes I haven't seen him burst into tears over housemates not talking to him but the moment you tell him he's not actually evicted and he can go back in the house he's crying his eyes out like a little child. He really confuses me.

[Madlyaddicted]

Well said. Anyone that doesn't like him will says its a game plan. I like him and want him to win. Most entertaining without being really nasty to anyone, unlike gina.

[Vanessa]

Dexter is still being picked on, but he's dealing with it very well. Thank god for Gina. She really helped him when everyone was slagging him off on live feed. Dexter to win! He's a lovely guy. So what if he has a gameplan? Aaron had a gameplan and we still loved him to bits!