[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Why don't you just ask yourself one question, would you like to be around someone who quite clearly completely lied about who they said they were and tried to pull the wool over your eyes?

No, you would tell them to do one. That's why he can't win with the housemates he's completely untrustworthy.

Thanks. Thats all I asked.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thanks. Thats all I asked.

Do you expect him to redeem himself or something. Would you trust him?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Do you expect him to redeem himself or something. Would you trust him?

I wouldn't trust him no, but I wouldnt hold something against someone forever either. In a BB situation, you expect a bit of BS. I definitely wouldn't assume that everything he did was a gameplan or everything he said was lies..thats for sure. And thats what the HMs seem to be doing (bar Gina)

Redeem himself? Does it matter? I was only asking if there was any way he could win, thats all. And it appears he cant, as I suspected. So it doesn;t matter what he does, he will get **** for it anyway

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wouldn't trust him no, but I wouldnt hold something against someone forever either. In a BB situation, you expect a bit of BS. I definitely wouldn't assume that everything he did was a gameplan or everything he said was lies..thats for sure. And thats what the HMs seem to be doing (bar Gina)

Redeem himself? Does it matter? I was only asking if there was any way he could win, thats all. And it appears he cant, as I suspected. So it doesn;t matter what he does, he will get **** for it anyway

I didn't think he deserved being ostracised in the first few weeks, and since he's cut the bull the housemates do seem to have built a frail but tangible rappor with him.

Unfortunately though you never forget and I suspect the housemates treat everything he says with a pinch of salt.

I'm sure it doesn't matter for him anyway once he's out he can do what he wants I don't think many of the hm's will want owt to do with him.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I didn't think he deserved being ostracised in the first few weeks, and since he's cut the bull the housemates do seem to have built a frail but tangible rappor with him.

Unfortunately though you never forget and I suspect the housemates treat everything he says with a pinch of salt.

I'm sure it doesn't matter for him anyway once he's out he can do what he wants I don't think many of the hm's will want owt to do with him.

A pinch of salt is fine. Thats understandable given his original plan (which I assume was act up to the horrific wanker he was in his VT )

Its also understandable given how he was in the first week or so..

Its the assuming every little thing he does is a gameplan thats ridiculous to me. And now, it seems to evolve into things he HASNT dont being a gameplan too

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A pinch of salt is fine. Thats understandable given his original plan (which I assume was act up to the horrific wanker he was in his VT )

Its also understandable given how he was in the first week or so..

Its the assuming every little thing he does is a gameplan thats ridiculous to me. And now, it seems to evolve into things he HASNT dont being a gameplan too

You can blame Dan for that, he must have made everyone paranoid.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

You can blame Dan for that, he must have made everyone paranoid.

Ahh Dan

Theres probably a bit of truth in this actually. Along with blaming BB for the secrets and lies thing and Michael. Paranoia overload

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I didn't think he deserved being ostracised in the first few weeks, and since he's cut the bull the housemates do seem to have built a frail but tangible rappor with him.

Unfortunately though you never forget and I suspect the housemates treat everything he says with a pinch of salt.

I'm sure it doesn't matter for him anyway once he's out he can do what he wants I don't think many of the hm's will want owt to do with him.

If I were him I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with any of them either. Why would he, he's been picked on and made fun of all the way through the show.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

If I were him I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with any of them either. Why would he, he's been picked on and made fun of all the way through the show.

Picked on?

The guy made a rod for his own back when he came out acting the billy big boy in the first week. People don't like that.

If I joined this forum and for the first week posted nothing but inane ramblings about how I am so important, the ladies fall to my feet and I make tons of money and someone found out that wasn't true, I would get it in the neck for the entire duration of my time on here and serves me right too.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Picked on?

The guy made a rod for his own back when he came out acting the billy big boy in the first week. People don't like that.

If I joined this forum and for the first week posted nothing but inane ramblings about how I am so important, the ladies fall to my feet and I make tons of money and someone found out that wasn't true, I would get it in the neck for the entire duration of my time on here and serves me right too.

As I see it he has been picked on relentlessly I know he hasn't been perfect, I'm under no illusion that he has, none of them are perfect, but I don't feel he deserves the rotten treatment he has had to endure from them continually right from the word go, especially from the twin Jack. It seems only Charlie & Gina on the odd occasion that has shown some compassion but even they jumped on the bandwagon. Heck, anyone would think he's a murderer, its just ridiculous. They have never let up trying to break him but he hasn't allowed them to.