[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Some haven't... that's a debate isn't it?
She has raised awareness, it's a talking point.

Yeah it is. But what I said is right, some of us (people who read this news story) will judge her for drinking whilst being pregnant. As shown by some views expressed in this thread.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

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Skyes christening

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

Yeah it is. But what I said is right, some of us (people who read this news story) will judge her for drinking whilst being pregnant. As shown by some views expressed in this thread.

Well never mind, we can't all be enlightened.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well never mind, we can't all be enlightened.

And you have the audacity to call me sanctimonious.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ben

And you have the audacity to call me sanctimonious.

I was joking ben, stop being so oversensitive

[Marc]

Always with the last word Kizzy

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was joking ben, stop being so oversensitive

If I had called you that during a serious debate you would have been outraged. You are a hypocrite sometimes.

[Kizzy]

-something mean-

[Benjamin]

No it's not that it's mean Kizzy, I can deal with being called all sorts, usually because I am them, it's the fact you are an absolute hypocrite.

[Novo]

can you two please stop bloody bickering

[MeMyselfAndI]

[Kizzy]

You tell him novo!
Anyway, back to this idiot barman.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I don't get why she was so desperate for wine that she went to the media about it, I mean, Jesus, surely she can go without it during pregnancy, just in case. Do people really find it so hard to live without alcohol?

Yeah, tbf I seriously doubt it's because she's so desperate for wine. I would imagine it's the principal of some guy telling her what she can and can't do with her own body. And assuming she was irresponsible and putting her baby in danger when she clearly wasn't. I would be annoyed if I were her too

[Lee.]

My GP told me a small glass of red wine whilst pregnant would do me more good than harm.. I used to really look forward to my Saturday night out.. My friend was preggers the same time as me and we used to go out the four if us and we'd have a glass of wine each.. I'd have been a bit taken aback if the batman had refused to serve us.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

My GP told me a small glass of red wine whilst pregnant would do me more good than harm.. I used to really look forward to my Saturday night out.. My friend was preggers the same time as me and we used to go out the four if us and we'd have a glass of wine each.. I'd have been a bit taken aback if the batman had refused to serve us.

Well, it would have been extremely embarrassing and humiliating for some stranger to make you feel like you were being irresponsible and harming your unborn child. I think that's what people are missing here, that this woman isn't annoyed because the wine is so important to her, it's because of the way that barman judged her and made her feel so small

[Z]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, it would have been extremely embarrassing and humiliating for some stranger to make you feel like you were being irresponsible and harming your unborn child. I think that's what people are missing here, that this woman isn't annoyed because the wine is so important to her, it's because of the way that barman judged her and made her feel so small

By refusing to serve her though? It doesn't say that he lectured her in front of lots of people, he just didn't serve her a glass of wine - she comes across as attention seeking to me by virtue of going to the press over such a minor incident. Kizzy seemed to think I was being patronising when I suggested that the woman is possibly very hormonal, hence having such a reaction to being refused service and going to the media over it... I doubt that's something she would have done normally.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

By refusing to serve her though? It doesn't say that he lectured her in front of lots of people, he just didn't serve her a glass of wine - she comes across as attention seeking to me by virtue of going to the press over such a minor incident. Kizzy seemed to think I was being patronising when I suggested that the woman is possibly very hormonal, hence having such a reaction to being refused service and going to the media over it... I doubt that's something she would have done normally.

Well, to be honest if I put myself in her position, just the fact that he wouldn't serve her infers that he thinks she's being irresponsible and not looking after her unborn child, which is the worst thing a person could ever say about/imply to a parent/parent to be imo. If it were me I probably wouldn't have brought it to the medias attention although I think I'd be annoyed/offended enough to contact the bars manager.

Could she be feeling more hormonal and prone to be upset more because of her hormones? Absolutely lol I remember crying because I lost a game of cards when i was pregnant with my daughter

[Lee.]

I saw your typo Niamh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I saw your typo Niamh

Nothing to see here, move away

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, it would have been extremely embarrassing and humiliating for some stranger to make you feel like you were being irresponsible and harming your unborn child. I think that's what people are missing here, that this woman isn't annoyed because the wine is so important to her, it's because of the way that barman judged her and made her feel so small

Yes, so embarrassing in front of a bar full of people that she had to remedy it by telling a national newspaper...

Originally Posted by Lee.

I'd have been a bit taken aback if the batman had refused to serve us.

....hehe...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, so embarrassing in front of a bar full of people that she had to remedy it by telling a national newspaper...



....hehe...

Yes, because she felt wronged by him and clearly the bar agree with her and have said it's not their policy to refuse to serve pregnant women. Maybe she felt like she should say it so it doesn't happen again?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, to be honest if I put myself in her position, just the fact that he wouldn't serve her infers that he thinks she's being irresponsible and not looking after her unborn child, which is the worst thing a person could ever say about/imply to a parent/parent to be imo. If it were me I probably wouldn't have brought it to the medias attention although I think I'd be annoyed/offended enough to contact the bars manager.

This is the same reasoning that apparently makes it a big "no no" to point out that formula milk is inferior to breastmilk, though. People are afraid to let others know important things that might actually help others to make healthier choices, for fear of "upsetting someone".

Choosing to use formula milk increases the risk of childhood cancer by several degrees, and increases the risk of SIDS by FOUR TIMES. But you're not allowed to mention that, ever, to anyone, for fear that you might make the large proportion of mothers who "find breastfeeding too hard" feel guilty. Oh no. God forbid. Better just bury this important public health information that could potentially save thousands of infants from a needless death, to spare people's feelings. Right?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is the same reasoning that apparently makes it a big "no no" to point out that formula milk is inferior to breastmilk, though. People are afraid to let others know important things that might actually help others to make healthier choices, for fear of "upsetting someone".

Choosing to use formula milk increases the risk of childhood cancer by several degrees, and increases the risk of SIDS by FOUR TIMES. But you're not allowed to mention that, ever, to anyone, for fear that you might make the large proportion of mothers who "find breastfeeding too hard" feel guilty. Oh no. God forbid. Better just bury this important public health information that could potentially save thousands of infants from a needless death, to spare people's feelings. Right?

Oh for Gods sake, I'm really not getting into a breast Milk V's Formula Milk argument.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh for Gods sake, I'm really not getting into a breast Milk V's Formula Milk argument.

I'm not looking for one, just illustrating a point: a childs health (born or unborn) is more important than its parents (or any other persons) feelings of guilt or embarrassment. parents are surely, by necessity, adults. I don't give two hoots if they "feel bad " - they can bloody well act like adults and get over it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not looking for one, just illustrating a point: a childs health (born or unborn) is more important than its parents (or any other persons) feelings of guilt or embarrassment. parents are surely, by necessity, adults. I don't give two hoots if they "feel bad " - they can bloody well act like adults and get over it.

The point is one glass of wine a week is not going to harm your baby and that stranger had no right to refuse to serve that lady.