[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by James

Okay, Well I haven't looked into the evidence closely. I was just under the impression for the parents covering up an accident theory to have any logic the seven friends had to be lying? Can someone say how the timeline would work in that case - I don't really like visiting these conspiracy theory websites.

The McCanns left at around 8.30. Gerry checked at around 9pm..apparently kids were all ok, he went to loo, had a chat with someone then went back to table (around 9.25). Oldfield checked kids at 9.30, but only saw twins, never thought to check Maddie was there. Quiet so assumed everything was fine. Kate checked kids at 10pm and realised Maddie was missing.

Gerry was only one to actually see Madeline between them leaving the apartment and Kate discovering she was gone.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The McCanns left at around 8.30. Gerry checked at around 9pm..apparently kids were all ok, he went to loo, had a chat with someone then went back to table (around 9.25). Oldfield checked kids at 9.30, but only saw twins, never thought to check Maddie was there. Quiet so assumed everything was fine. Kate checked kids at 10pm and realised Maddie was missing.

Gerry was only one to actually see Madeline between them leaving the apartment and Kate discovering she was gone.

And before they left for the restaurant when was the last time anyone saw Maddie besides Gerry and Kate?

[chuff me dizzy]

McCann did not even look for Maddie on night one ,and went to bed at 3 o,clock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCV...Grvgvn5nkiY6fA

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

They could be telling the truth that they are aware of though?

Doesn't necessarily mean that's what really happened.

On that McCann Files website it says that 3 of them asked to change their original statements.

The timeline they wrote BEFORE they rang the police had more crossings out than a dyslexics exam paper

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And before they left for the restaurant when was the last time anyone saw Maddie besides Gerry and Kate?

From memory, I dont know. I *think* about 5 ish when she left the childcare facilities but I am not sure

However, there was a statement at one time about one of their friends visiting the apartment when Kate was bathing the kids/herself as it has been said she was in a towel, then was changed to fully dressed. That seems to have disappeared now though. Considering the bloke who it was has been written out of the new timeline entirely :S

I can see I am gong to get obsessed with this again now. I wish they hadnt done the crimewatch thing as it drove me crazy last time I was searching everything

[MTVN]

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And before they left for the restaurant when was the last time anyone saw Maddie besides Gerry and Kate?

According to mcCanns (NOT POLICE) the last person to se her was David Payne, he claimed he stayed in 5a for 30 minutes,Kate says it was 30 seconds

[chuff me dizzy]

One the videos which shows the body language of the McCanns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzRFrIfv2M

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

Yeah, and the main source they use is media stories

Misleading seems to crop up a lot on the rebuttals. Though if you actually read them, seems much of what they are trying to debunk is actually correct.

The dogs stuff...most the 'disproving' stuff is just silly. It was never claimed that the dogs findings were backed up with DNA evidence as far a I am aware..if it was, the McCanns would have been arrested on the spot. So to say the dogs findings story is false because there wasnt the DNA to back it up..hardly takes away from the fact that the dogs found something in there..the video of such is found in many places on the internet.

The explanations appear to be all smoke an mirrors tbh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

According to mcCanns (NOT POLICE) the last person to se her was David Payne, he claimed he stayed in 5a for 30 minutes,Kate says it was 30 seconds

and what time was that at?

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

Thanks for posting this.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

One the videos which shows the body language of the McCanns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzRFrIfv2M

Thanks, Chuff. That's a real eye opener. Gerry was fidgeting lot when asked about giving Maddie sleeping pills. That suggests lying to me.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

We are not DS. We wont close threads just because a couple of posters find it a bit uncomfortable that others have different opinion to them.

I don't see how it is disrespectful to Madeleine for people to want the truth to come out about what actually happened.

and you think the truth will come out on here do you.
lets keep going over it again again from one opinion to the the next without getting any nearing to the truth.
accusation after accusation.
still if it makes the day go quicker.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

and you think the truth will come out on here do you.
lets keep going over it again again from one opinion to the the next without getting any nearing to the truth.
accusation after accusation.
still if it makes the day go quicker.

I don't see the harm in discussing it, sheriff. The case is a real mystery and everyone wants to know what happened that night.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

The stuff about the dogs is definitely worth a read.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and what time was that at?

I will check

[chuff me dizzy]

What "Mother" could even think ,never mind put into print about her 3 years old childs genitals ?


http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/...anns-book.html

[Josy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

and you think the truth will come out on here do you.
lets keep going over it again again from one opinion to the the next without getting any nearing to the truth.
accusation after accusation.
still if it makes the day go quicker.

No one here is saying that what they post is the truth, they are posting opinions on this topic that's all, if it's bothering you so much just don't enter the thread.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and what time was that at?

All in here http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.b...ent-5a-to.html

[Vanessa]

The part about the sniffer dogs is fascinating. It certainly suggests accidental death.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The part about the sniffer dogs is fascinating. It certainly suggests accidental death.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...22Fact%22%2029

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...22Fact%22%2029

I think the McCanns know more that they're letting on about what happened.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

All in here http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.b...ent-5a-to.html

Thank you

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I thought that's what everyone did when they went abroad with their kids, you always see restaurants full of kids over there, we've done it ourselves with our own kids and the Spanish are very kid friendly, there wouldn't be a problem with that.

I disagree though that leaving two 2 year olds and a 3 year old in an unlocked apartment alone isn't neglectful though, jeez what if there was a fire? Or one of them wandered out onto a road or out and fell in the pool? It's unbelievably neglectful imo

That's what I thought as well. I thought that was the main reason most families flocked to Spain, because it's all so family friendly. I mean I've seen most people stay out late with their kids when they're on holiday anyway, even if they are toddlers.

I suppose that's true. But the fact still remains that they did regular checks and they were less than a hundred metres away from the apartment. It's not as if they left the compound for a night on the town. They were still very close by, not as close by as they should have been mind, but still very close.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...22Fact%22%2029

None of that takes away from the fact that both dogs alerted to various places/things in the apartment though. No, there wasnt forensic evidence to back them up..dont think it was ever claimed that there was (though I have heard that blood that could be Madeleines was found ii the hire car, but they couldnt be sure as only 15 or the 19 something or others matched..not sure how valid that is) but to totally discount the whole dog thing based on this is ridiculous.