[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive puzzled about that too, but I think a lot of it is because they were Drs and they had a lot to lose if Maddie had died due to their neglect and with being given something to make her sleep they would both be struck off

ah right ok, that makes a bit more sense actually. God though you'd want to be pretty cold to think that way after your child died, wouldn't you?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Tell you what Lee ,lets agree to disagree, people with closed minds never want to think for themselves ,they prefer to follow and think "Not on my doorstep"

Chuff don't accuse people having "closed minds" just because they don't agree with your theory please.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

They used Warners printer (see police files)

Yeah, to print off photos .. Now, if they'd used Warner's computers to photoshop their snaps I reckon somebody would have seen them doing it (it's not a 2 minute job) and a computer keeps track of everything you have done.. Did the investigation find evidence of a photo editing programme being used?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ah right ok, that makes a bit more sense actually. God though you'd want to be pretty cold to think that way after your child died, wouldn't you?

Yes but to be honest I think they are both so cold and callous people

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Yeah, to print off photos .. Now, if they'd used Warner's computers to photoshop their snaps I reckon somebody would have seen them doing it (it's not a 2 minute job) and a computer keeps track of everything you have done.. Did the investigation find evidence of a photo editing programme being used?

THIS was posted on Gerry blog he wrote online most days during the early days ,believe or not its upto you


For those of you who still suport the McCanns I would like to ask whether you knew about the fridge?

Long ago, shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
Gerry himself wrote this and mentioned that people had been supportive at the dump site.
This was of course before they were declared suspects, when the fund was bringing in money everyday and the wave of global sympathy was at its height. Gerry must have felt very relaxed and confident that he didnt need to hide this rather strange action.

But it is a strange thing to do isnt it?
You rent an apartment, the fridge breaks, and instead of getting the owner to replace or repair it you take it upon yourself to remove the fridge and dump it?
How do you know the owner hasnt got a brother who is a fridge repair expert??

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Tell you what Lee ,lets agree to disagree, people with closed minds never want to think for themselves ,they prefer to follow and think "Not on my doorstep"

I've not got a closed mind! I'm merely questioning your theory as it doesn't make sense to me.

I think the freezer question is perfectly acceptable tbh?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Chuff don't accuse people having "closed minds" just because they don't agree with your theory please.

To be fair niamh some have pushed chuff on her view as she doesn't share their view... It's a vicious circle isn't it?

[chuff me dizzy]

Screenshots of all Gerry blogs ,fridge is in there if anyone cares to look, this is not composed by Maddie supporters it is the true screenshot of Gerry OWN blogs

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/B...CREENSHOTS.htm

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

THIS was posted on Gerry blog he wrote online most days during the early days ,believe or not its upto you


For those of you who still suport the McCanns I would like to ask whether you knew about the fridge?

Long ago, shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
Gerry himself wrote this and mentioned that people had been supportive at the dump site.
This was of course before they were declared suspects, when the fund was bringing in money everyday and the wave of global sympathy was at its height. Gerry must have felt very relaxed and confident that he didnt need to hide this rather strange action.

But it is a strange thing to do isnt it?
You rent an apartment, the fridge breaks, and instead of getting the owner to replace or repair it you take it upon yourself to remove the fridge and dump it?
How do you know the owner hasnt got a brother who is a fridge repair expert??

That didn't come directly from his blog.. Is there an actual quote ?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

THIS was posted on Gerry blog he wrote online most days during the early days ,believe or not its upto you


For those of you who still suport the McCanns I would like to ask whether you knew about the fridge?

Long ago, shortly after the McCanns hired their car, Gerry reported in his blog that he had taken the fridge from the rented apartment to the dump because it wasnt working.
Gerry himself wrote this and mentioned that people had been supportive at the dump site.
This was of course before they were declared suspects, when the fund was bringing in money everyday and the wave of global sympathy was at its height. Gerry must have felt very relaxed and confident that he didnt need to hide this rather strange action.

But it is a strange thing to do isnt it?
You rent an apartment, the fridge breaks, and instead of getting the owner to replace or repair it you take it upon yourself to remove the fridge and dump it?
How do you know the owner hasnt got a brother who is a fridge repair expert??

Is there a link to that on here? that's the creepiest thing I ever heard...

Edit: I see the link now ta.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

To be fair niamh some have pushed chuff on her view as she doesn't share their view... It's a vicious circle isn't it?

Sorry what's your point exactly?

[Lee.]

That blog doesn't start until 23rd of May.. Where's the days before that?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry what's your point exactly?

Not getting drawn into discussing something that has nothing to do with the thread, what I said was understandable.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not getting drawn into discussing something that has nothing to do with the thread, what I said was understandable.

You're not getting drawn into something you started? Alrighty then good for you

[MTVN]

Fridge stuff sounds like rubbish to me, googling about it only finds that claim that's been posted on anti-McCann sites but no reliable source and no link to Gerry saying anything like that on his blog

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

That blog doesn't start until 23rd of May.. Where's the days before that?

It starts days 1-50 and so on ,I will see if I can find out what day he wrote about taking fridge to tip

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fridge stuff sounds like rubbish to me, googling about it only finds that claim that's been posted on anti-McCann sites but no reliable source and no link to Gerry saying anything like that on his blog

All in the screenshots Ive have posted

[Niamh.]

That would be a really bizarre thing to do in a rented apartment, if it's true

[chuff me dizzy]

David Paynes police statement where he also talks of fridge http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DA...E-ROGATORY.htm

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It starts days 1-50 and so on ,I will see if I can find out what day he wrote about taking fridge to tip

So if he took her out the fridge on the 3rd of May and carried her down the road to somewhere "safe", where could he possibly hide her? I'm imagining Portugal would be hot at that time of year, so where could a man, in strange surroundings conceal a dead body so well that it wouldn't be found during an extensive search of the area? And why wouldn't somebody have smelt a decomposing body within the next 26 days?

I'm not trying to argue with you chuff.. I'm interested.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

David Paynes police statement where he also talks of fridge http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DA...E-ROGATORY.htm

The only mention of a fridge is here:

1485 "Yeah. Was there anybody around the resort or you know your, the Ocean Club in general that you weren't happy with''
Reply "Err we, you know we did obviously retrospectively question you know who'd been in, in to the resort to actually work there. They, on one of the days they had some err gardening people which we hadn't you know seen before and we you know we just wondered, you know, after Madeleine had gone err you know who they were and what their you know validity was if you like. Err the, I know that again, you know Kate and Gerry had had problems err with I think it was the blinds in their flat and the fridge and they'd had people in err you know into the flat, you know which obviously retrospectively was a concern as well. Err yeah that, you know who were those people, had they been checked out.

Which doesn't sound that suspicous to me really

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The only mention of a fridge is here:



Which doesn't sound that suspicous to me really

No it is a longer thing than that I will see if I can find it

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jesus,do none of these things make you question what happened to Madeline or do you think it's as cut and dry as an abduction?I think Chuff has put forward some thought provoking questions and I do think people have the right to query their actions.I admire Chuffs passion and I do think she has some very valid points,it certainly made me think.

The truth is Kaz, I have absolutely no idea what happened to Maddie. What we do know is that the Portuguese police wanted it to be the parents, or tried to make a case for it at least, and they didn't move them past suspects to a point where they could ever be charged, and that can only be for one reason - lack of evidence.

If a highly motivated police force in a high profile case had absolutely nothing on them being involved in her murder/accidental death (depending on individual point of views), then I fail to see how anyone of us can start implying that we know more, or be amazed at a series of links provided in this thread, when quite often the links are from biased sources and can be discredited. Those dogs are the biggest standout example of that to me.

Josy posted a link a couple of days ago to some information I asked her about, and that seems very suspicious on the surface, but the link was down and I haven't had chance to read it yet, so I will go back, look at that information, but then I'll follow that up by trying to find another perspective.

I have no skin in this game, I don't know them and I never will. This situation could theoretically happen to any of us, be it directly, or through siblings or friends, and I'd like to think that the rule of innocent until proven guilty still stands.

I wouldn't want any of my family or friends being tried on twitter or the internet. They may well turn out to be guilty, I don't know. It wont be because of any information provided in this thread though, as far as I can tell.

If it does turn out to be them, then I can hold my hands up and say I was wrong - it's a lot easier to do that because I haven't been "researching" for 6 years. I think people on the internet have invested so much energy into the cover up/murder/accidental death angle, that I'm not sure what evidence could ever convince them otherwise.

So yeah, it is a suspicious case and I really understand that, but if you take a step back, and work out exactly what needs to have gone into the cover up for it to happen successfully, then I don't see how that is possible in a foreign country with a frenzied search going on. It defies basic logic to me.

[Kizzy]

Whether you think others research or interest is logical or not is irrelevant though.
We are entitled to our own interpretations based on what we personally consider to be logical only.
I was convinced that they were innocent and yet the more I read the less convinced of that I become.
I don't suggest anyone else draws this conclusion however.

[Lee.]

But the suggested series of events aren't logical kizzy. Surely you don't agree with the theory that PC whateverhisnameis came up with? It doesn't make sense?