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Old 05-01-2014, 10:24 PM #1
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Default Where does 'people are entitled to their opinion' stop ?

Jordan asked this question in a BB thread and I think it would make for a great topic for the forum.
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When the opinions begin to show extremist tendencies
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By not resorting to insults, just say you don't agree with it
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Jordan asked this question in a BB thread and I think it would make for a great topic for the forum.
Perhaps when the opinion is directed at somebody personally and is insulting.
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Jordan asked this question in a BB thread and I think it would make for a great topic for the forum.
People are entitalled to their opinion ,please or offend ,their opinions are what they believe in so should be allowed to express them to a certain extent,good question from Jordan though.
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When the opinion is based on something you don't have experience/knowledge of and can cause great offense *cough* Evander.
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I think views expressed in private, pretty much anything goes. I mean like, when talking to a good friend/family member/etc

I dont pussyfoot around people incase I offend them..I tend to think Im tolerant of everthing tbh so I wouldnt offend people often anyway(besides greeting gay friends as my fags..but thats their fault ), but I would never purposely say something offensive.

In the recent BB thing, I feel if it hadnt been on tv it would be fine. He was asked an opinion and gave it. I dont see a problem with that, even if his views are homophobic. It becomes a problem when it is said to someone who takes offence I think. Eg. Actually saying to a gay person that they are unnatural.

I think homophobia/racism/etc is more about intent than the actual wording.

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It doesn't stop, people are endlessly entitled to their opinion. Where people make the mistake is in thinking that being entitled to their opinion allows them to state that opinion without questioning or criticism.

People can hold, and state, any opinion they choose to. Likewise, they have to accept that in doing so they may be disliked by others and have that opinion (and their character for holding that opinion) called into question.

If they CAN NOT handle that criticism, then they SHOULD NOT share the opinion. And they certainly should not bleat "but I'm entitled to my opinion you can't say I'm wrong!!" when people dislike it.

If you want to state an opinion, own it. Be prepared to accept that others will disagree (sometimes forcefully), and be prepared to defend it. Properly.
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when a person post's their opinions and they are insulted.
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It doesn't stop, people are endlessly entitled to their opinion. Where people make the mistake is in thinking that being entitled to their opinion allows them to state that opinion without questioning or criticism.

People can hold, and state, any opinion they choose to. Likewise, they have to accept that in doing so they may be disliked by others and have that opinion (and their character for holding that opinion) called into question.

If they CAN NOT handle that criticism, then they SHOULD NOT share the opinion. And they certainly should not bleat "but I'm entitled to my opinion you can't say I'm wrong!!" when people dislike it.

If you want to state an opinion, own it. Be prepared to accept that others will disagree (sometimes forcefully), and be prepared to defend it. Properly.
Agree, think often people just use "I'm entitled to my opinion" to dismiss any criticism of it, however valid that may be. Anyone is entitled to hold any opinion, but if you profess a certain view point then you should be prepared to be challenged on that view.

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when it offends someone else
Nah...people could (and do) get offended by anything and everything though. People would be afraid to speak ever.
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Nahh some people are far too easily offended. Think offcom...
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Nah...people could (and do) get offended by anything and everything though. People would be afraid to speak ever.
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ok, well when it offends a majority of people
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Your views are offending me. Please shut up
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Agree, think often people just use "I'm entitled to my opinion" to dismiss any criticism of it, however valid that may be. Anyone is entitled to hold any opinion, but if you profess a certain view point then you should be prepared to be challenged on that view.
Well it ends up being circular logic, doesn't it? "In my opinion, your opinion is awful, and I'm entitled to my opinion of your opinion."
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yeah, well your canckles are offending me
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People's entitlement to voice their opinion should not override the need for tact in certain situations. Having a valid opinion is one thing, blurting out everything that pops into your head is another.
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People's entitlement to voice their opinion should not override the need for tact in certain situations. Having a valid opinion is one thing, blurting out everything that pops into your head is another.
lets hope you start to live up to that mantra
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When the opinion is based on something you don't have experience/knowledge of and can cause great offense *cough* Evander.
so only gay people can discuss gay issues, only men discuss mens issues, only disabled discuss disabled issues, only football players discuss football? only politicians discuss politics? only welsh farmers discuss sheep?

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American comedian George Carlin summed it up nicely when he said " you have the right to say anything about me , insult me if you wish... But I have the right to smack you in the face for saying it....."
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When they should know better and keept it to themselves, Especially if making the opinion public in an inappropriate setting as on a TV show.
Such as the issue as to the gay topic on BB, it is not an appropriate setting for being able to fire off your own right or wrong views because it is likely against the BB rules to do so.

On here in this forum, if someone invites debate then it is more acceptable to express an opinion but if an opinion has no justification as to it and turns out illogical and /or wrong then it will be challenged and likely very strongly.

I forget who said it but I said it once before on here and I think Livia knows who said it but it goes something like this.
''It is better to keep quiet and be thought foolish than to open your mouth and remove all doubt''.
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