[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.

[Marsh.]

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.

..I do agree with what you’re saying in a way Marsh but I do also think though that 18yrs old is more of a border/threshold of maturity..she’s just becoming ‘mature’ and she has recent bullying experiences (they can’t have been long ago because of her age..)...which must have ‘scarred’ her maybe she does shy away from confrontations, who knows because it’s just that it hasn’t happened yet but I think discussing Helen’s spitefulness in the house would be quite normal because she has been pretty awful but then maybe Ashleigh, not only by her own experiences and associations but also by Helen’s ‘face to face’ hurtful comments in the house, has seen how little value that has in terms of how it makes someone feel who is on the receiving end of them...and even though she dislikes Helen so much, maybe she can’t bring herself to do this ‘honest’ stuff which most of us know is usually an excuse for being a spiteful person....’oh, well I just say what I think’..well, don’t keep your spitefulness to yourself....also, maybe Ashleigh's feelings have been supressed by others in the past so that she doesn't really want some screeching looney in her face, which she's seen all too often happen in the 'Helen confrontations'....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That is true. But with Ashleigh she suppresses her real feelings to Helen's face and vents behind her back. That's not being mature about it, that's avoiding telling Helen what's what to her face which builds up inside her causing her to pick at every little thing with Danielle because the bitterness is eating away at her.

An astute, mature and intelligent person wouldn't behave like either of them and would rise about the pettiness. Neither do. One has a drink which causes her to vent all of her thoughts and frustrations straight into people's face, one lets it build up to the point where she can't think of anything else to whinge about in the bedroom with their only friend.

So I don't think everyone who avoids confrontation is a wimp, those people tend to let it go and move on. Ashleigh doesn't, she's scared of facing things head on.

But she doesn't bottle up her feelings about Helen, she vents with her friend Danielle which is a good way of getting the tension out. Also, she doesn't suppress how she feels to Helen's face; Helen is very well aware that Ashleigh doesn't like her.
Just because Ashleigh isn't like Helen who thinks 'telling people how it is' is a virtue, doesn't make her a wimp. On the contrary.
As I said before, what exactly should Ashleigh confront Helen about?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

But she doesn't bottle up her feelings about Helen, she vents with her friend Danielle which is a good way of getting the tension out. Also, she doesn't suppress how she feels to Helen's face; Helen is very well aware that Ashleigh doesn't like her.
Just because Ashleigh isn't like Helen who thinks 'telling people how it is' is a virtue, doesn't make her a wimp. On the contrary.
As I said before, what exactly should Ashleigh confront Helen about?

[Verbal]

Oh hell no

[smeagol]

hopefully she will try it on the wrong person one day. she could do with a new face

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by smeagol

hopefully she will try it on the wrong person one day. she could do with a new face

Yea she's not the prettiest, but she's young and still growing. Ashleigh will grow into her looks, i'm sure.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Oh hell no

[Kazanne]

Ashleigh should tell Helen what she was brave enough to tell Danielle , that she thinks Helen is a vile , disgusting loud mouthed woman who doesn't wear a bra and excercises in front of the men for attention and she's seen enough of her arse , these would be good to start with , I would kinda like her then.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Ashleigh should tell Helen what she was brave enough to tell Danielle , that she thinks Helen is a vile , disgusting loud mouthed woman who doesn't wear a bra and excercises in front of the men for attention and she's seen enough of her arse , these would be good to start with , I would kinda like her then.

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

But she doesn't bottle up her feelings about Helen, she vents with her friend Danielle which is a good way of getting the tension out. Also, she doesn't suppress how she feels to Helen's face; Helen is very well aware that Ashleigh doesn't like her.
Just because Ashleigh isn't like Helen who thinks 'telling people how it is' is a virtue, doesn't make her a wimp. On the contrary.
As I said before, what exactly should Ashleigh confront Helen about?

a) Helen knows Ashleigh doesn't like her, not via Ashleigh herself doing anything but by Chinese whispers going through the house. Through Kimberley and Jale and a few others flitting between groups. They've never actually acknowledged anything between the two of them.

b) I never said she should have a confrontation. I was responding to your insinuation that Helen wouldn't dare confront Ashleigh because she knows Ashleigh would tear into her or that Ashleigh doesn't confront her because she's mature and intelligent. Both incorrect.

c) Ashleigh venting to Danielle is exactly what I said. Both she and Helen gather up hatred for people, Helen's flies out and straight into the person it's directed at when she has alcohol, in Ashleigh's case it causes the constant comments/bitching with Danielle to express herself. Neither is a mature option nor intelligent option.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

That's fair enough if that's the kind of person people like,so people shouldn't be going round saying how up front she is,she isn't.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why should she though? People don't do that in real life unless they're arseholes, she doesn't like her but she doesn't need to go on an insulting spree for no other reason then to be honest. If everyone did that in everyday life the world would be a horrible, nasty place :/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

So,you'de rather have someone who slates you behind your back? that's good for you,but give me a head to head anyday.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I do agree with what you’re saying in a way Marsh but I do also think though that 18yrs old is more of a border/threshold of maturity..she’s just becoming ‘mature’ and she has recent bullying experiences (they can’t have been long ago because of her age..)...which must have ‘scarred’ her maybe she does shy away from confrontations, who knows because it’s just that it hasn’t happened yet but I think discussing Helen’s spitefulness in the house would be quite normal because she has been pretty awful but then maybe Ashleigh, not only by her own experiences and associations but also by Helen’s ‘face to face’ hurtful comments in the house, has seen how little value that has in terms of how it makes someone feel who is on the receiving end of them...and even though she dislikes Helen so much, maybe she can’t bring herself to do this ‘honest’ stuff which most of us know is usually an excuse for being a spiteful person....’oh, well I just say what I think’..well, don’t keep your spitefulness to yourself....also, maybe Ashleigh's feelings have been supressed by others in the past so that she doesn't really want some screeching looney in her face, which she's seen all too often happen in the 'Helen confrontations'....

Oh definitely. I wasn't saying Ashleigh should follow Helen's method of doing things. I hate the "honest" excuse for being a nasty bitch too.

What I was getting at was the insinuation by some posters that Ashleigh is somehow faultless and more mature etc etc because she doesn't confront Helen or that people think Ashleigh has some kind of hold over Helen. They're both immature bitches, they just express it in different ways.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's fair enough if that's the kind of person people like,so people shouldn't be going round saying how up front she is,she isn't.

Why isn't she upfront? Just because she doesn't go up and say "Helen I think you're an asshole and a bully blah blah blah" Who actually does that and is called upfront? People that behave like that in real life are disliked and tactless

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why isn't she upfront? Just because she doesn't go up and say "Helen I think you're an asshole and a bully blah blah blah" Who actually does that and is called upfront? People that behave like that in real life are disliked and tactless

I think she means instead of sitting down with Helen to discuss any bad blood between them she prefers to bitch incessantly and let her bitterness eat her away.

That doesn't make her any better than Helen IMO.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh definitely. I wasn't saying Ashleigh should follow Helen's method of doing things. I hate the "honest" excuse for being a nasty bitch too.

What I was getting at was the insinuation by some posters that Ashleigh is somehow faultless and more mature etc etc because she doesn't confront Helen or that people think Ashleigh has some kind of hold over Helen. They're both immature bitches, they just express it in different ways.

Me too, I don't know why it suddenly becomes an actual "quality" on Big Brother when you just know if people behaved like that in r/l they'd just be vile, rude people that you'd avoid like the plague. If everyone said what was on their minds directly to people all the time, none of us would be speaking to eachother

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why isn't she upfront? Just because she doesn't go up and say "Helen I think you're an asshole and a bully blah blah blah" Who actually does that and is called upfront? People that behave like that in real life are disliked and tactless

And people who are sly and backstab are disliked also,I guess it's the type of person we are,myself I would prefer someone to tell me I'm an arsehole to my face rather than do it behind my back.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think she means instead of sitting down with Helen to discuss any bad blood between them she prefers to bitch incessantly and let her bitterness eat her away.

That doesn't make her any better than Helen IMO.

I guess she doesn't want to get on with her because she doesn't like her? That's the impression I get anyway.....although the chants may change that lol

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

And people who are sly and backstab are disliked also,I guess it's the type of person we are,myself I would prefer someone to tell me I'm an arsehole to my face rather than do it behind my back.

It's only back stabbing if she was pretending to be best buddies with Helen to her face...................which she really wasn't

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Me too, I don't know why it suddenly becomes an actual "quality" on Big Brother when you just know if people behaved like that in r/l they'd just be vile, rude people that you'd avoid like the plague. If everyone said what was on their minds directly to people all the time, none of us would be speaking to eachother

Exactly. It wouldn't work.

I remember watching a show actually when all the characters had to tell the truth and be "honest" at all times. Everybody hated each other by the end and all the relationships fell apart.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's only back stabbing if she was pretending to be best buddies with Helen to her face...................which she really wasn't

But she and Danielle were pretending to be friends to Kim and slagging her off behind her back so both are back stabbers.