[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

We're all just a variety of living beings ultimately, none more worthy than another

We just put ourselves first which I think is natural. For the vast majority at least, we as humans want to live and live well, and consensually and conveniently put our morality regarding animal life to one side for our food wants and needs. You've seen with fashion that the consesus is changing and we're viewing animal life more valuable than clothing for the most part. I think with food though we'll continue to ignore the countless death toll we're causing for certain animals even when for a lot of us it's really not necessary anymore.

Basically, we're unnecessarily evil but are more than happy to ignore it for convenience. I'm guilty as much as anybody.

Great post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Killing flies and spiders is only to be applauded

:shudder:

A Ghost cat

you should not have the undead in your house as you have children

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

:shudder:

A Ghost cat

you should not have the undead in your house as you have children

[Dollface]

No

[Kazanne]

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

Horrible list,(I could exclude horse racing), however some really cruel and rotten acts committed carrying that list out Kazanne,I agree.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Bull fighting
Dog fighting
Slaughtering the whales
Clubbing Seals
Bear baiting/dancing
The fur trade
Fox Hunting
Badger baiting
Using animals for medicines(tigers,bears etc,
Horse racing,
Elephant Poaching(for ivory)
Just a few things us lovely humans think we have a right to do to animals because are are 'THE TOP' of the chain.

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life to a higher value than an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

With Neems scenario people would chose "their" loved ones but may not give 2 hoots about other folks


what if it were a tiger in there and the family came from say china or india

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life in higher value to an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

To many people, pets are classed as family just as much. If I was in this situation, I'd be devastated either way. If the pet died, I certainly wouldn't feel "Well, at least it was the pet and not someone else". The heartbreak would be the same.

My cat passed away last summer and I mourned her just as much as I imagine I'll mourn relatives. About 7 months on and I still think about her and get sad every day, there's no comfort in the fact that she was just an animal.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

With Neems scenario people would chose "their" loved ones but may not give 2 hoots about other folks


what if it were a tiger in there and the family came from say china or india

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member? And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

[Vicky.]

Yeah, no question about it.

However there would also be no question about me saving an animal over a paedophile for example, but thats simply because I think people like that should not be around to harm people once discovered, and we wont lock them up for life, so losing them some other way would be a good thing in my eyes

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

To many people, pets are classed as family just as much. If I was in this situation, I'd be devastated either way. If the pet died, I certainly wouldn't feel "Well, at least it was the pet and not someone else". The heartbreak would be the same.

My cat passed away last summer and I mourned her just as much as I imagine I'll mourn relatives. About 7 months on and I still think about her and get sad every day, there's no comfort in the fact that she was just an animal.

I love my pets, i really do, but there would be absolutely no comparing losing a my child/partner to losing my pet, not even close.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, no question about it.

However there would also be no question about me saving an animal over a paedophile for example, but thats simply because I think people like that should not be around to harm people once discovered, and we wont lock them up for life, so losing them some other way would be a good thing in my eyes

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're all disgusting practices no doubt but imo it doesn't change the fact that as a human I would hold another humans life to a higher value than an animals. What about that scenario I gave, are you telling me that your first response wouldn't be "Why would you save a dog over a human?"

Your wife/husband/mother/father is trapped in a burning building along with a dog, the firefighters go in and save the dog, they don't have time to save your wife/husband/mother/father so they die. You're perfectly understanding when they tell you that "sorry we could only save one and we chose the dog" ?

Well obviously my family come above everything,but the fire is an accident and not set in most cases to kill anyone on purpose,Humans differ because they are supposed to be 'the top' yet they inflict pain just to sit back,make money and have a jolly good time at some poor animals expense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member? And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

I dont see why one needs precedence over the other

I mourned my dog like i would a human and would mourn a family member (and it will be my old man soon) the same


But looking at the earth as a whole a human life is just the same as that of a wasp

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well obviously my family come above everything,but the fire is an accident and not set in most cases to kill anyone on purpose,Humans differ because they are supposed to be 'the top' yet they inflict pain just to sit back,make money and have a jolly good time at some poor animals expense.

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not asking whether you would chose your loved one though, I'm asking if you would be understanding if a firefighter saved a dog over your family member?

No, I wouldn't (but again, to me the pet would be a family member too). And the same goes if the situation was reversed. I doubt most people would be "perfectly understanding" if they'd just lost a loved one in a fire. I'd want all those I love to be saved, and I'd be heartbroken if any (humans and animals alike) weren't.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And I believe the first thing most people would say in that situation would be, why would you save a dog over a human?

I'm glad I'm not "most people", then. It's not like the dog would suffer any less.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

what kind of training are Irish Firemen getting?

I blame austerity

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You never answered my question though. Would you be ok with firefighters choosing to save a dog over one of your family members?

My brothers a fire fighter and human life comes first,so I know in that scenario they would have tried their best to save the humans but failed but if they saved the dog that would be a bonus.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what kind of training are Irish Firemen getting?

I blame austerity

Fire fighters*

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

My brothers a fire fighter and human life comes first,so I know in that scenario they would have tried their best to save the humans but failed but if they saved the dog that would be a bonus.

My husband is a fire fighter also

But yes of course they would save the human first because humans are more important to other humans and rightly so imo (and I am an animal lover)

[Kyle]

What do you think of wasps leather Trumpet?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Fire fighters*

Sorry, not on my watch

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kyle

What do you think of wasps leather Trumpet?

probably the best of all the Protestants

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

No, I wouldn't (but again, to me the pet would be a family member too). And the same goes if the situation was reversed. I doubt most people would be "perfectly understanding" if they'd just lost a loved one in a fire. I'd want all those I love to be saved, and I'd be heartbroken if any (humans and animals alike) weren't.



I'm glad I'm not "most people", then. It's not like the dog would suffer any less.

So you would not prioritise your human family members over your dog then?