[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair Livia, I don't think that is right either.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Me neither

I will fight you both...

I'm noticing a marked increase in the number of older men marrying (or living with) younger women and having a second family when they're in their 50s and 60s. Just my perception perhaps.

Anyway, that aside, I still think it's the woman's business and no one else's. There are so many neglected, unloved children in the world I don't know why they don't take priority when it comes to worrying about kids.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I will fight you both...

I'm noticing a marked increase in the number of older men marrying (or living with) younger women and having a second family when they're in their 50s and 60s. Just my perception perhaps.

Anyway, that aside, I still think it's the woman's business and no one else's. There are so many neglected, unloved children in the world I don't know why they don't take priority when it comes to worrying about kids.

As someone else pointed out atleast in a case where someone is "starting a second family" with a younger partner (be that male or female) atleast those kids will have one parent who will likely survive long enough to get them to adult hood. I don't know for sure but I assume this woman is raising this child on her own as she used a sperm doner, that is very selfish, who's going to look after the child if she dies or becomes to old to look after it? And also, because she's so old, she's increasing her chances by a huge margin of having a disabled child

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As someone else pointed out atleast in a case where someone is "starting a second family" with a younger partner (be that male or female) atleast those kids will have one parent who will likely survive long enough to get them to adult hood. I don't know for sure but I assume this woman is raising this child on her own as she used a sperm doner, that is very selfish, who's going to look after the child if she dies or becomes to old to look after it? And also, because she's so old, she's increasing her chances by a huge margin of having a disabled child

With donated sperm and a donated egg I don't see that's going to enhance the chances of a disabled child. And young people die too. This woman could live to be 100, no one knows how much time they've got. And it seems these kids will have a large, loving, extended family whatever happens. Having an unplanned, unwanted child and raising it on benefits in substandard housing is more selfish in my eyes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No it's not, but it is far more acceptable, Billy Joel has just announced he is to be a Dad at 65 but no one is complaining about him

why not have a go at the woman...


Tell her about it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why not have a go at the woman...


Tell her about it

Groaaaan...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why not have a go at the woman...


Tell her about it

What should I tell her?

[Jake.]

At the end of the day, if she feels like she can care for her children and there's zero evidence to support otherwise then yeah, good luck to her with it.. So many children go unloved and neglected..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What should I tell her?

That only the good die young


or old in the case of Billy

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

So many children go unloved and neglected..

I completely agree with this and think people like this lady should take up adoption/fostering. So many children are in great need of it.

Rather than risking the life of 4 newborns with an increased risk of disability/health problems due to both her age and the fact they're quads.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I completely agree with this and think people like this lady should take up adoption/fostering. So many children are in great need of it.

Rather than risking the life of 4 newborns with an increased risk of disability/health problems due to both her age and the fact they're quads.

The eggs are donated too. What are the health risks and why are people so interested? Some women smoke and drink through their pregnancy, that's also putting their child at risk.

Do you think a teenage mother, pregnant by accident, is going to make a better mother than this woman?

There are so many other more pressing worries than this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The eggs are donated too. What are the health risks and why are people so interested? Some women smoke and drink through their pregnancy, that's also putting their child at risk.

Do you think a teenage mother, pregnant by accident, is going to make a better mother than this woman?

There are so many other more pressing worries than this.

Well, I'm commenting on it because it is the thread topic is it not?

Where did I suggest she's the worst mother to walk the earth and worse than teenage or drinking/smoking mums?

Yes, there are definitely more pressing worries. There tends to be more worrying/important things in the world than some things discussed on this forum but hey-ho, that's life. Doesn't mean we can't discuss it.

Yes, pregnancies with more than 1 child are of a higher risk to the child. Just as the older the woman is, the more risk to the child. That's pretty much common knowledge.

Not to mention I believe menopause is nature's way of saying "That's enough".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

With donated sperm and a donated egg I don't see that's going to enhance the chances of a disabled child. And young people die too. This woman could live to be 100, no one knows how much time they've got. And it seems these kids will have a large, loving, extended family whatever happens. Having an unplanned, unwanted child and raising it on benefits in substandard housing is more selfish in my eyes.

She may live to be 100 but it's unlikely, yes young people die too but generally speaking not as often as old people a large loving extended family, do you mean her other children? So they should be expected to take over looking after 4 children they didn't plan in the likely event of their mother either dying or becoming too old to cope with 4 young energetic children. Yes having an unplanned and unwanted child isn't ideal either but the word "unplanned" is key here. Also, just because that may be worse it doesn't make this woman unselfish imo

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She may live to be 100 but it's unlikely, yes young people die too but generally speaking not as often as old people a large loving extended family, do you mean her other children? So they should be expected to take over looking after 4 children they didn't plan in the likely event of their mother either dying or becoming too old to cope with 4 young energetic children. Yes having an unplanned and unwanted child isn't ideal either but the word "unplanned" is key here. Also, just because that may be worse it doesn't make this woman unselfish imo

Why would you so convinced that the family, and by that I do mean the other kids, would have to look after them? I would fully expect this woman to live at least until the kids are of the age of majority. And the alternative to her not having these children is for them not to exist at all. Given the choice, I imagine most people would choose life over non-existence.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't want it getting ugly in the car park later...

[Marsh.]

There is a reason that there comes a time when women can no longer conceive children.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There is a reason that there comes a time when women can no longer conceive children.

So if a woman has her menopause at 30, you think she should be refused help because it's natures way of telling her, no?

Medical science has improved in all areas, it seems strange that this is the one most people are objecting to.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why would you so convinced that the family, and by that I do mean the other kids, would have to look after them? I would fully expect this woman to live at least until the kids are of the age of majority. And the alternative to her not having these children is for them not to exist at all. Given the choice, I imagine most people would choose life over non-existence.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't want it getting ugly in the car park later...

Because she's 65 years old now and she'll be 83 when when they're 18, there's a high chance that she will either die before then or not be able to look after them by that age

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

So if a woman has her menopause at 30, you think she should be refused help because it's natures way of telling her, no?

Medical science has improved in all areas, it seems strange that this is the one most people are objecting to.

what do you mean? It's the topic of the thread, just because people object to this doesn't mean they think everything else is ok and great

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because she's 65 years old now and she'll be 83 when when they're 18, there's a high chance that she will either die before then or not be able to look after them by that age

I doubt they'd have let her get this far without her being in reasonable physical condition. And anyway, we don't know what her family arrangements are, what she's planned or what's been agreed. Maybe she's from a long line of people who live a long life... Whatever the case, I still feel it's her call and no one else's to judge..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what do you mean? It's the topic of the thread, just because people object to this doesn't mean they think everything else is ok and great

Noooooooooo I don't mean that. I mean medical science makes massive leaps forward with all kind of treatment including fertility treatment. But this isn't the first thread on here about an older woman becoming a mother and it's the same story. No one cares enough to make a thread that, for instance, Billy Joel at the same age as this woman is about to become a father. But there's merry hell on if it's a woman.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Noooooooooo I don't mean that. I mean medical science makes massive leaps forward with all kind of treatment including fertility treatment. But this isn't the first thread on here about an older woman becoming a mother and it's the same story. No one cares enough to make a thread that, for instance, Billy Joel at the same age as this woman is about to become a father. But there's merry hell on if it's a woman.

If there was a thread made about that I would say the same thing

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

So if a woman has her menopause at 30, you think she should be refused help because it's natures way of telling her, no?

Medical science has improved in all areas, it seems strange that this is the one most people are objecting to.

No. But there's a reason a woman's body doesn't let her reproduce passed a certain age. As I said, there are other (far safer) options than carrying a child at such an old age.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what do you mean? It's the topic of the thread, just because people object to this doesn't mean they think everything else is ok and great

Exactly.

[Jason.]

I'm all for people wanting to bring kids into the world, but the risks at her age aren't good, let alone the fact she'll be in her late 70's trying to cope with teenagers.

[smudgie]

She is a ruddy nutter..already had thirteen kids and now 4 more on the way.
Rather greedy.

[Vicky.]

Theres a big difference between a mother and a father having a kid really late in life though, being that the male doesn't have to carry the child..which in itself could bring huge complications especially with her age. Also traditionally (I know not always) the woman tends to have a more active role in the childrens life too, especially when they are babies. Along with that this woman seems to be 'going it alone' so to speak, which theres not a problem with BUT, this is what makes it different from an older guy having a kid with a younger mum. Nature tells us women to stop..and its for a reason. Yes some people have the menopause early, or can never naturally have kids. But generally, a woman can naturally have children til shes about 50 ish. Men never stop being able to (again generally)

Also personally I find it rather selfish for 70 year old blokes and such to keep fathering kids But I see a big difference between a 65 year old bloke getting someone pregnant, and a 65 year old woman being inseminated to be pregnant and have a child. Just enjoy being a grandmother, or adopt ffs