[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair Livia, I don't think that is right either.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Me neither

I will fight you both...

I'm noticing a marked increase in the number of older men marrying (or living with) younger women and having a second family when they're in their 50s and 60s. Just my perception perhaps.

Anyway, that aside, I still think it's the woman's business and no one else's. There are so many neglected, unloved children in the world I don't know why they don't take priority when it comes to worrying about kids.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I will fight you both...

I'm noticing a marked increase in the number of older men marrying (or living with) younger women and having a second family when they're in their 50s and 60s. Just my perception perhaps.

Anyway, that aside, I still think it's the woman's business and no one else's. There are so many neglected, unloved children in the world I don't know why they don't take priority when it comes to worrying about kids.

As someone else pointed out atleast in a case where someone is "starting a second family" with a younger partner (be that male or female) atleast those kids will have one parent who will likely survive long enough to get them to adult hood. I don't know for sure but I assume this woman is raising this child on her own as she used a sperm doner, that is very selfish, who's going to look after the child if she dies or becomes to old to look after it? And also, because she's so old, she's increasing her chances by a huge margin of having a disabled child

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As someone else pointed out atleast in a case where someone is "starting a second family" with a younger partner (be that male or female) atleast those kids will have one parent who will likely survive long enough to get them to adult hood. I don't know for sure but I assume this woman is raising this child on her own as she used a sperm doner, that is very selfish, who's going to look after the child if she dies or becomes to old to look after it? And also, because she's so old, she's increasing her chances by a huge margin of having a disabled child

With donated sperm and a donated egg I don't see that's going to enhance the chances of a disabled child. And young people die too. This woman could live to be 100, no one knows how much time they've got. And it seems these kids will have a large, loving, extended family whatever happens. Having an unplanned, unwanted child and raising it on benefits in substandard housing is more selfish in my eyes.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

With donated sperm and a donated egg I don't see that's going to enhance the chances of a disabled child. And young people die too. This woman could live to be 100, no one knows how much time they've got. And it seems these kids will have a large, loving, extended family whatever happens. Having an unplanned, unwanted child and raising it on benefits in substandard housing is more selfish in my eyes.

She may live to be 100 but it's unlikely, yes young people die too but generally speaking not as often as old people a large loving extended family, do you mean her other children? So they should be expected to take over looking after 4 children they didn't plan in the likely event of their mother either dying or becoming too old to cope with 4 young energetic children. Yes having an unplanned and unwanted child isn't ideal either but the word "unplanned" is key here. Also, just because that may be worse it doesn't make this woman unselfish imo

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She may live to be 100 but it's unlikely, yes young people die too but generally speaking not as often as old people a large loving extended family, do you mean her other children? So they should be expected to take over looking after 4 children they didn't plan in the likely event of their mother either dying or becoming too old to cope with 4 young energetic children. Yes having an unplanned and unwanted child isn't ideal either but the word "unplanned" is key here. Also, just because that may be worse it doesn't make this woman unselfish imo

Why would you so convinced that the family, and by that I do mean the other kids, would have to look after them? I would fully expect this woman to live at least until the kids are of the age of majority. And the alternative to her not having these children is for them not to exist at all. Given the choice, I imagine most people would choose life over non-existence.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't want it getting ugly in the car park later...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why would you so convinced that the family, and by that I do mean the other kids, would have to look after them? I would fully expect this woman to live at least until the kids are of the age of majority. And the alternative to her not having these children is for them not to exist at all. Given the choice, I imagine most people would choose life over non-existence.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't want it getting ugly in the car park later...

Because she's 65 years old now and she'll be 83 when when they're 18, there's a high chance that she will either die before then or not be able to look after them by that age

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because she's 65 years old now and she'll be 83 when when they're 18, there's a high chance that she will either die before then or not be able to look after them by that age

I doubt they'd have let her get this far without her being in reasonable physical condition. And anyway, we don't know what her family arrangements are, what she's planned or what's been agreed. Maybe she's from a long line of people who live a long life... Whatever the case, I still feel it's her call and no one else's to judge..