[Cherie]

It was one of the ITV news headlines

[user104658]

Stand by for Cameron taking the moral high ground and making the entire thing about the war memorial.

[Samuel.]

Nothing wrong with protesting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Any evidence

Go on twitter

lol

[MTVN]

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Stand by for Cameron taking the moral high ground and making the entire thing about the war memorial.

This is a public order offence with some criminal damage thrown in for good measure. Interesting to see so many in this thread that think that's just fine. I think many in the UK don't understand what its like to live in a country where people are not given democratic rights, if they did understand, they wouldnt be bleating in threads like this like the sore losers they are.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

You can appreciate and reflect on why civil unrest occurs without backing or condoning the actions of the people taking part.

Or you can choose to play it down, dismiss it as "tossers", "idiots" and "thugs", and pretend that there aren't very real reasons behind it.

People are frustrated and angry and don't know how to express it, so they smash things up in an impotent rage. Will it get them anywhere? No, it won't, they'll wake up in a cell still powerless and and with nothing changed. Whilst Cameron will get on with governing (dismantling) the country. That's WHY people are frustrated and angry... Precisely because they know that they can't change anything.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is a public order offence with some criminal damage thrown in for good measure. Interesting to see so many in this thread that think that's just fine. I think many in the UK don't understand what its like to live in a country where people are not given democratic rights, if they did understand, they wouldnt be bleating in threads like this like the sore losers they are.

I don't think it's "just fine" at all but, read my post above.

Cameron will make it ALL about the war memorial. He will not even acknowledge the fact that people are clearly angry and frustrated. He will probably make out that they just used it as an "excuse to cause chaos", because they "want to" and "find it fun".

So no its not "fine" but it's also not "fine" to willfully ignore the very real sociology behind social unrest. For a bystander it's blinkered - for a government it's downright negligent.

[empire]

here's the thing that the labour party would piss all over there working class, voters, with no jobs, low pay, stuck on the dole, cheap labour from the eu, the tory's labour,lib dems,snp, are no different, they are all on the same train, and would do the same thing.

[user104658]

Also, again, this "sore losers" ****. It's not a ****ing football match. Please, please just stop it. There aren't "winners" or "losers", it's not a game, it's people's lives and the world that we live in.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

Not sure how the amount of reasons is important

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Not sure how the amount of reasons is important

Because most of them are there just to cause ****

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can appreciate and reflect on why civil unrest occurs without backing or condoning the actions of the people taking part.

Or you can choose to play it down, dismiss it as "tossers", "idiots" and "thugs", and pretend that there aren't very real reasons behind it.

People are frustrated and angry and don't know how to express it, so they smash things up in an impotent rage. Will it get them anywhere? No, it won't, they'll wake up in a cell still powerless and and with nothing changed. Whilst Cameron will get on with governing (dismantling) the country. That's WHY people are frustrated and angry... Precisely because they know that they can't change anything.

Sure I get that anger can manifest itself in displays of outrage like this, and I do normally try and shy away from a simplistic criticism of it all. But I don't actually find much to sympathise with here. It's pre-emptive protest against a government before they have actually done anything. Fine if you hate the Tories, but under the long-standing democratic process of this country they have secured the legitimate right to govern. If they go on to implement policies that betray the electorate then protest, like when Labour went to Iraq and to some extent when fees were raised with Lib Dem approval. But what they are protesting right now is the very fact of governance, not anything specific that has been done. If it's about the record of the coalition then that was the time to protest, if it's about conservative principles in general well, I'm afraid that you are a minority force and there is little sense in kicking off before those principles manifest themselves in the way that you expect them to.

I believe this protest originally started with this being organised a few days ago: https://www.facebook.com/events/891550857551023/. That says it all: it was arranged to stop a Tory coup in the event of them being a minority government. Unfortunately for them, the situation they expected did not come to pass so the reason for their protest became redundant and like I said they are now rioting against the very fact of a democratic outcome that was not in their favour. Even if that is cause for protest I don't think it is cause for violence and the ugly scenes that were witnessed today.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also, again, this "sore losers" ****. It's not a ****ing football match. Please, please just stop it. There aren't "winners" or "losers", it's not a game, it's people's lives and the world that we live in.

It wasn't a football match, it was a general election that was WON by the conservative party. Those out demonstrating on the streets do not accept the democratic process that is the general election, and are in fact anarchists.

Returning to my point, those on the streets were sore losers because they decided to take to the streets when their party didnt win ... ie LOST.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

i'm on about the people rioting, love...

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Chaos

i'm on about the people rioting, love...

And those reasons are why they are rioting, love.....

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

So who governs then? Labour with 30%? Labour + the SNP with 35%? Still less than the Tories and they said they wouldn't do a deal with each other anyway. You are never going to get a party with over 50% of the vote in British politics. What the Tories did do is win more votes than anyone else and they had the majority of UK constituencies vote for a Conservative to represent them at a national level.

But yeah some badgers might be culled, better go deface a war memorial!

[Northern Monkey]

I can't stand the Tories as much as anyone but these rioters have just shat all over their cause and the statement they were trying to make.Instead of protesting in large numbers peacefully they've made themselves look like thugs and no better than the looters in 2011.Defacing the war memorial has taken the focus off the heartless Conservative government and turned it on to a bunch of disrespectful thugs who want to deface and smash stuff up.They have done their cause no favours at all.I agree though that this kind of stuff is likely to happen more and more the deeper the Tory cuts wound the average person in this country.But when a protest turns into a mindless rampage of thuggery the cause gets lost in translation.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

And those reasons are why they are rioting, love.....

that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, we all know you hate the tories for whatever reasons... i'm on about the fact that most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's even going on in the political world and are just using it as an excuse to be twats...

Peaceful protesting is understandable, but causing trouble isn't.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Chaos

that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, we all know you hate the tories for whatever reasons... i'm on about the fact that most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's even going on in the political world and are just using it as an excuse to be twats...

Peaceful protesting is understandable, but causing trouble isn't.

"most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's going on"

There are probably a few people using the protest as an excuse for hooliganism but I do not think that accounts for 'most' of the turnout.

[MTVN]

Won't see Lib Dems rioting despite being obliterated from the electoral map and deprived of all influence

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Won't see Lib Dems rioting despite being obliterated from the electoral map and deprived of all influence

Well that's because they have no voters

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Won't see Lib Dems rioting despite being obliterated from the electoral map and deprived of all influence

Don't think there's enough of them for a riot