[MTVN]

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

You can appreciate and reflect on why civil unrest occurs without backing or condoning the actions of the people taking part.

Or you can choose to play it down, dismiss it as "tossers", "idiots" and "thugs", and pretend that there aren't very real reasons behind it.

People are frustrated and angry and don't know how to express it, so they smash things up in an impotent rage. Will it get them anywhere? No, it won't, they'll wake up in a cell still powerless and and with nothing changed. Whilst Cameron will get on with governing (dismantling) the country. That's WHY people are frustrated and angry... Precisely because they know that they can't change anything.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can appreciate and reflect on why civil unrest occurs without backing or condoning the actions of the people taking part.

Or you can choose to play it down, dismiss it as "tossers", "idiots" and "thugs", and pretend that there aren't very real reasons behind it.

People are frustrated and angry and don't know how to express it, so they smash things up in an impotent rage. Will it get them anywhere? No, it won't, they'll wake up in a cell still powerless and and with nothing changed. Whilst Cameron will get on with governing (dismantling) the country. That's WHY people are frustrated and angry... Precisely because they know that they can't change anything.

Sure I get that anger can manifest itself in displays of outrage like this, and I do normally try and shy away from a simplistic criticism of it all. But I don't actually find much to sympathise with here. It's pre-emptive protest against a government before they have actually done anything. Fine if you hate the Tories, but under the long-standing democratic process of this country they have secured the legitimate right to govern. If they go on to implement policies that betray the electorate then protest, like when Labour went to Iraq and to some extent when fees were raised with Lib Dem approval. But what they are protesting right now is the very fact of governance, not anything specific that has been done. If it's about the record of the coalition then that was the time to protest, if it's about conservative principles in general well, I'm afraid that you are a minority force and there is little sense in kicking off before those principles manifest themselves in the way that you expect them to.

I believe this protest originally started with this being organised a few days ago: https://www.facebook.com/events/891550857551023/. That says it all: it was arranged to stop a Tory coup in the event of them being a minority government. Unfortunately for them, the situation they expected did not come to pass so the reason for their protest became redundant and like I said they are now rioting against the very fact of a democratic outcome that was not in their favour. Even if that is cause for protest I don't think it is cause for violence and the ugly scenes that were witnessed today.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

Not sure how the amount of reasons is important

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Not sure how the amount of reasons is important

Because most of them are there just to cause ****

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Because most of them are there just to cause ****

Are you reading the Daily Mail? Or watching Sky News? The people doing the stuff to the war memorial was a tiny minority, I know that the right wing Media will blow it out of proportion but the truth is out there.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Are you reading the Daily Mail? Or watching Sky News? The people doing the stuff to the war memorial was a tiny minority, I know that the right wing Media will blow it out of proportion but the truth is out there.

Doesn't matter if it was ONE Mock,it was defaced,no excuses,i am sure you would be livid had it been the other way round.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Obviously Labour don't have that many either or didn't vote,now they are being mardi arses and throwing their dummies out their prams ,disgusting behaviour

I'm not a Labour supporter, but they only had 8% less than the tories anyway.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Doesn't matter if it was ONE Mock,it was defaced,no excuses,i am sure you would be livid had it been the other way round.

But it does matter that is was a tiny minority, because the right-wing press are using that minute instance to invalidate the whole anti-austerity argument.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Doesn't matter if it was ONE Mock,it was defaced,no excuses,i am sure you would be livid had it been the other way round.

I wouldn't tarnish everyone as the same, yes go berserk about the individuals that did that, but I don't like how the peaceful protestors are being lumbered in with the trash.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Well said... I bet more than half of these protesters couldn't even give more than 5 reasons why they hate the tories as well.

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

i'm on about the people rioting, love...

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Chaos

i'm on about the people rioting, love...

And those reasons are why they are rioting, love.....

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

And those reasons are why they are rioting, love.....

that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, we all know you hate the tories for whatever reasons... i'm on about the fact that most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's even going on in the political world and are just using it as an excuse to be twats...

Peaceful protesting is understandable, but causing trouble isn't.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Chaos

that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, we all know you hate the tories for whatever reasons... i'm on about the fact that most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's even going on in the political world and are just using it as an excuse to be twats...

Peaceful protesting is understandable, but causing trouble isn't.

"most of the people rioting probably have no idea what's going on"

There are probably a few people using the protest as an excuse for hooliganism but I do not think that accounts for 'most' of the turnout.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

1) For planned welfare cuts, probably resulting in further poverty.
2) Punishing the poor with cuts while awarding tax cuts to the millionaires.
3) Their complete disregard for our environment and lack of care for global warming
4) Continued badger culls and plans to overturn the hunting ban
5) The continuation of privatisation to the NHS.

And on top of that, 63% of the country DID NOT vote for them. Where is democracy?

So who governs then? Labour with 30%? Labour + the SNP with 35%? Still less than the Tories and they said they wouldn't do a deal with each other anyway. You are never going to get a party with over 50% of the vote in British politics. What the Tories did do is win more votes than anyone else and they had the majority of UK constituencies vote for a Conservative to represent them at a national level.

But yeah some badgers might be culled, better go deface a war memorial!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Load of tossers, even if you argue that the Tories don't have the mandate of the majority of the country I would bet good money that a great deal more people would back them and the agreed democratic process than would back these violent mask-wearing, graffiti-spraying idiots

Sorry anarchists but there is no appetite for revolution and overhaul in this country. Tomorrow morning Cameron will get on with the real world business of governing the country; some of these protesters will wake up in a police cell. I know who will cut the more sorry figure then.