[arista]

He live on every news now


Trying to Sort the Extreme Isil In the UK


http://news.sky.com/story/1521778/pm...m-in-war-on-is

[joeysteele]

He would have my support in dealing with this and I also hope he gets the support of parliament too.
I think there does come a time when patience runs out and for me he does need to be saying and doing a great deal more as to dealing with this issue and threat.

Which to be fair to him,he does seem to have woken up to.

[lostalex]

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.

No there are Muslims that are Not Extreme
they are now helping our PM

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.

There is logic here

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He would have my support in dealing with this and I also hope he gets the support of parliament too.
I think there does come a time when patience runs out and for me he does need to be saying and doing a great deal more as to dealing with this issue and threat.

Which to be fair to him,he does seem to have woken up to.

Yes with so many young women and young men
leaving the UK for Isis / Isil etc.

[In a speech in Birmingham, Mr Cameron warned young
British Muslims not to be "brainwashed" by "poisonous ideologies".]

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

No there are Muslims that are Not Extreme
they are now helping our PM

but the ones that do bad do it because they think it is right. Islam tells them that it is right. so we need to tell them the truth, that it is not right. it is a lie.

Don't ban books, don't treat people badly. but the Quran should be treated the same as Mein Kampf. A book full of very dangerous lies.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Which dumbass in their right mind leave uk and go to isis?

I would die to get out from this dumbass country and go to uk

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but the ones that do bad do it because they think it is right. Islam tells them that it is right. so we need to tell them the truth, that it is not right. it is a lie.

Don't ban books, don't treat people badly. but the Quran should be treated the same as Mein Kampf. A book full of very dangerous lies.

No we are Stuck with that

Its their Bible
etc.

[the truth]

go dave....hes on fire at the moment

[Vicky.]

Backing him all the way here, anything to help the current situation is good. Why on earth anyone would chose to go there is beyond me. The cancelling passports thing though, either the parents take them, or the kids don't tell the parents, so not too sure what that will achieve, but as I said everything helps.

[the truth]

Hes showing a set of cahoonas to even say that on live tv.....as much as people say the tories are elitist millionaires with no idea of everyday life (which is all true) dave is a multi millionaire 30 times over before politics....so i dont believe hes in politics for the money. Hes probably power crazy but i actually do believe hes in it for the right reasons believing he can put the great back into britain

[empire]

the problem is that labour enforced the multiculturalist policy, that has made people too scared to offend people from other backgrounds, not all muslims are terrorists, but it is their arrogant attitude in not integrating better in are society, if you look around you, they have made no-go getto zones, in towns and cities, the government thought by pandering to them, they would integrate, big mistake, I will admit it that I have nothing in common, with muslims, but I will not label all of them terrorists, because it is silly,

[arista]

Originally Posted by empire

the problem is that labour enforced the multiculturalist policy, that has made people too scared to offend people from other backgrounds, not all muslims are terrorists, but it is their arrogant attitude in not integrating better in are society, if you look around you, they have made no-go getto zones, in towns and cities, the government thought by pandering to them, they would integrate, big mistake, I will admit it that I have nothing in common, with muslims, but I will not label all of them terrorists, because it is silly,

Bang On Right
Stupid New Labour

[Z]

Still don't really know how you can possibly fight an idea like this... disillusioned youth getting suckered into fighting for a cause that speaks to them in a way that the society around them doesn't. I mean, do something to change that - either scare the **** out of young Muslims with a propaganda war or make our country a better place that they won't want to leave. These are the only answers. Bombing random towns in the country that was unfortunate enough to have been the birth place of this ideology isn't going to achieve anything.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Z

Still don't really know how you can possibly fight an idea like this... disillusioned youth getting suckered into fighting for a cause that speaks to them in a way that the society around them doesn't. I mean, do something to change that - either scare the **** out of young Muslims with a propaganda war or make our country a better place that they won't want to leave. These are the only answers. Bombing random towns in the country that was unfortunate enough to have been the birth place of this ideology isn't going to achieve anything.

You do it by discrediting it, by providing a convincing counter-narrative and by making sure you shred IS of any romanticism. I think Cameron actually hit the nail on the head with all three of these yesterday. He realises that, like you say, you can't bomb it out of existence and that this is an ideological battle. He also realises that it's no good to say that 'this has nothing to do with Islam' or whatever because that disempowers the voices within Islam who are challenging the IS interpretation of their religion and showing why it is flawed. Also attitudes like this:

Originally Posted by empire

the problem is that labour enforced the multiculturalist policy, that has made people too scared to offend people from other backgrounds, not all muslims are terrorists, but it is their arrogant attitude in not integrating better in are society, if you look around you, they have made no-go getto zones, in towns and cities, the government thought by pandering to them, they would integrate, big mistake, I will admit it that I have nothing in common, with muslims, but I will not label all of them terrorists, because it is silly,

are part of the problem, not the solution.

[the truth]

why is what empire said part of the problem?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The entire ideology of Islam is a lie. Tell the truth, that the religion is a lie, problem solved.

Indeed. We need to start with OUR leaders telling people that all religions are lies, there are no gods and stop the rot at school level.

By Cameron pretending to be a Christian and Obama we just perpetuate the problem.

The Elephant with the bomb jacket in the room is religion.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by the truth

why is what empire said part of the problem?

Because it buys into the same idea as Islamist's pedal that Islam is incompatible with Britain, that there is a binary divide between 'them' and 'us' that can't be bridged. 'I have nothing in common with Muslims', 'they don't integrate in our society', it's pretty much the same thing as extremists would be telling young British Muslims to try and radicalise them - that there is no place for them in British society. Both Muslims and non-Muslims in this country have a responsibility to counter that view.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Because it buys into the same idea as Islamist's pedal that Islam is incompatible with Britain, that there is a binary divide between 'them' and 'us' that can't be bridged. 'I have nothing in common with Muslims', 'they don't integrate in our society', it's pretty much the same thing as extremists would be telling young British Muslims to try and radicalise them - that there is no place for them in British society. Both Muslims and non-Muslims in this country have a responsibility to counter that view.

his statement was 90% correct, but you've ignored all the correct parts and just concentrated on his last sentence which was too generalized about all muslims. you've made a grab for the moral high ground with your rather disingenuous critique and its failed. Unfortunately its the false outrage and silencing of freedom of speech with screams of racist sexist that has in a huge way lead us to the disastrous place we are now in.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by the truth

his statement was 90% correct, but you've ignored all the correct parts and just concentrated on his last sentence which was too generalized about all muslims. you've made a grab for the moral high ground with your rather disingenuous critique and its failed. Unfortunately its the false outrage and silencing of freedom of speech with screams of racist sexist that has in a huge way lead us to the disastrous place we are now in.

Well actually the whole post was one sentence, I quoted a part from the middle of it and the end of it though really it was all in the same vein and pretty questionable from start to finish. Like many of your posts incidentally.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Indeed. We need to start with OUR leaders telling people that all religions are lies, there are no gods and stop the rot at school level.

By Cameron pretending to be a Christian and Obama we just perpetuate the problem.

The Elephant with the bomb jacket in the room is religion.

Whilst I agree on principle, in practice it's probably a pretty bad idea. For some unfathomable reason, there are a lot of religious people of various description in the world, and they tend not to take kindly to anyone pointing out how improbable their beliefs are.

You can't stop it "at school level" because these tales are passed on through families and have little to do with the education system. I know loads of kids of mostly non-religious parents who went to Catholic school and only came out even more sure that it's nonsense. I also know people from some bat**** crazy religious backgrounds (one girl from a branch of Christianity with < 100 members, founded by her own great grandfather... srsly) who went through an almost entirely non-religious school system and still "believes" to this day.

To be honest I don't know how you stop it. Parents teach it to their kids, who teach it to their kids, and so on and so forth and once someone believes in these things, it's pretty much impossible to turn them away from it.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Indeed. We need to start with OUR leaders telling people that all religions are lies, there are no gods and stop the rot at school level.

By Cameron pretending to be a Christian and Obama we just perpetuate the problem.

The Elephant with the bomb jacket in the room is religion.

no. Its islam and the perversion of Islam that is the problem. To blame other religions for the Craziness at the heart of lslam is insane. The values of Christianity are infinitely superior to those of islam. That's my moral choice and thats what I believe. Christianity has been the bed rock of our laws and culture in the west for centuries and the good outweighs the bad. However religion is rightly kept separate from politics. When a phoney pair of psychos on our side like bush and blair choose to quote Christian text to justify their illegal wars, its up to us the public to call them out on it. Do you recall Jesus telling us to bomb millions of innocents? nope. so why blame jesus?

[empire]

british society did not force muslims to segregate, themselves, they made that decision there own choice, musilm parents don't want to embrace western culture, and they don't want there children to embrace it either, I mean they should embrace the good side of it, not the bad side of it, in schools, colleges, and universities, they segregate into their own little groups, the government has never got it right too this day, with lets be tolerant and give them what they want and embrace them, lets wake up now, and see how bad that decision has made the country of today, it has made muslims and non muslims, even more segregated, and even less trustful, Im talking in a balance of truth on a note because it takes two to tango, in that one follows their faith, and living in a non muslim, country, and does not want too intergratie, and hates its society, why should I even try and make friends with people who are like that, I don't hate islam, but the attitude of muslims who expect this country, too give everything and be well mannered, and not intergratie, intruth we should stop pandering

[waterhog]

empire - i am trying to find fault with this - but i can not - so well put mate.