[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump UK ban petition passes 200,000 signatures

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Trump UK ban petition passes 200,000 signatures

[bots]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Trump UK ban petition passes 200,000 signatures

if the option to ban his hair was included it would be over 1 million already

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cameltoe and Wine

It's a little daft to compare WW2 to the current situation when god knows how many ill - conceived arms deals and treaties and advancements in technology are to blame for any extremist and his gran being able to get a hold of a suicide vest. I doubt any given jew facing persecution from the Germans and what not could've defended themselves with much success, let alone go on acts of terror (not that they would of course - although perhaps a few attacks on military strongholds wouldn't have been inconceivable?)

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

if the option to ban his hair was included it would be over 1 million already

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

then blame the radicals and not the people in the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

now 300,000

so 700,000 to go to beat the clarkson one



these petitions are sad, they really are

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Kirk and Kizzy can I suggest that you put eachother on ignore. This constant bickering in here between you two is getting really annoying. Clearly you can't have a debate with eachother without getting personal with eachother so for yours and everyone elses sake, why don't you try it?

How about you don't patronise me on a thread?
I haven't done anything wrong.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Right. So why the constant comparisons about the Jews and Nazi Germany every time a Muslim is perceived to have had his feelings hurt?

Actually the difference between Nazi Germany and here and now is that, Germany was never terrorised by the Jews. The Jews never planted bombs that killed civilians, they never beheaded German infidels, raped and killed women and children, promised never to rest until their flag was flying over Gestapo Headquarters. Also, the terrorist we are fighting right now hide amongst their innocent brothers a sisters making them a target so it's only to be expected that sometimes, those brothers and sisters are going to be a bit inconvenienced for the safety of us all.

You yourself found the suggestion of badges reminiscent though, that prompted a comparison. As Red said who is trapped in this net of suspicion, every Muslim on the planet, certain countries?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The comparisons have been with the mass exodus. Lets remember, the Jews were persecuted by the Germans just like the moderate Sunni and Shiites have been persecuted by ISIS. When the Jews started arriving en-mass on our British shores, they were persecuted by a suspicious nation who believed the propaganda spin. Likewise, the Muslims who are arriving on our shores are being looked upon with equal suspicion.

If there are some radicals in those groups, they would of got here anyway. What we all should agree on is, most of these people are totally innocent and don't deserve the sort of persecution some people here would happily hand out.

The brits saved the lives of 1000s of jews and even gave up properties and food during the war and times of ration to feed and clothe these jewish people. So your points on the Jews in Britain and grossly exaggerated and offensive

[bots]

I think the comparison is being painted the wrong way round. ISIS are going round persecuting and ethnic/religious cleansing. They have ambitions to conquer the world. That to me is the true comparison.

[Johnnyuk123]

Anyone know what percentage of ISIS members are still claiming UK benefits?

[AnnieK]

I'm confused....aren't ISIS being likened to Nazi Germany?? That comparison I can get...the ISIS ideology is pretty similar to the Nazis. Muslims, and in fact the rest of the world should be likened to the Jewish populace of WW2.... Anyone who doesn't the fit the ISIS ideology is dispensable and a target. Sounds very much like Nazi Germany to me....correct me if I'm wrong but when citizens are being murdered for being the wrong religion, colour, creed etc....it's scarily reminiscent

[kirklancaster]

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.

Well said Kirk! But more importantly who signed this pointless petition? Freedom of speech allows Donald to speak his mind. He spoke it. You can agree or disagree with what he said by all means but he is still by USA law entitled to say what he thinks regardless of what anyone else thinks. I do wonder what nationality are those people who signed this petition? Does it reflect the majority of UK residents? I doubt it. Not that it makes any difference to Donald's campaign at all as nothing in the UK has any impact on American soil.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

The brits saved the lives of 1000s of jews and even gave up properties and food during the war and times of ration to feed and clothe these jewish people. So your points on the Jews in Britain and grossly exaggerated and offensive

And we are now saving the lives of thousands of Muslims but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with that.

My husband is the direct descendant of a Jewish boy who fled with a grandparent from Warsaw. They had to change their family name when they got here and were warned not to let neighbours or schoolmates know where they had come from.

Grossly exaggerated ? http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/j...publicservices

[Kizzy]

They are extremists..... Trump is a politician.
Perspective.

[Johnnyuk123]

Isn't the whole point of this bollox petition that Trump is supposed to be an extremist and a Hate Preacher?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

They are extremists..... Trump is a politician.
Perspective.

That's a bit of a stretch, he is a rich man with a big mouth. He can however say what he likes, if he is popular and gets voted in, then that reflects the thinking in America. I would be personally surprised if he gets voted in, but the choices aren't great this time, he could do it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Isn't the whole point of this bollox petition that Trump is supposed to be an extremist and a Hate Preacher?

Exactly Johnny, well said. Surely one would think extremist, murder-inciting Hate Preachers are the ones MORE likely to elicit some kind of petition to ban them from the UK when it's us Brits who the evil bastards are inciting their Muslim brethren to slaughter and our country these vermin detest so much.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Exactly Johnny, well said. Surely one would think extremist, murder-inciting Hate Preachers are the ones MORE likely to elicit some kind of petition to ban them from the UK when it's us Brits who the evil bastards are inciting their Muslim brethren to slaughter and our country these vermin detest so much.

The UK and the rest of the world can only appease this kill now do NOT ask questions later ideology for a limited period of time before they turn around and say no no NO, NOT IN MY NAME!

[Kizzy]

He is inciting racial hatred, that's a given.

[Kizzy]

What a guy...

'A British soldier who lost his leg in Iraq has posted a powerful message to people "expecting racism" from him just because he "got blown up".

Chris Herbert was just 19 when his vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb in Basra, Iraq which killed his friend, injured another and left him facing the prospect of living the rest of his life without his right leg.

In the weeks after the Paris atrocities, the former serviceman said he has been troubled by the number of people who have expected him to be Islamophobic just because a "Muslim man blew me up".

In a powerful Facebook message, which has been shared tens of thousands of times, Herbert goes on to list the Muslims who have helped him - including the Muslim surgeon who performed the surgery that saved his life.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-09/b...-hate-muslims/

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

So let's put this in perspective:

Donald Trump, the 'Front Runner' in the USA's Republican Candidate race, and therefore a legitimate politician, makes suggestions about banning all Muslims from the USA as a temporary precautionary measure until the current Islamic terrorist war on America is over - remarks which are undeniably, ludicrous, offensive and xenophobic but yet still legitimate under the US Laws on Free Speech - and over 300,000 UK 'citizens' sign a petition to ban him from the UK?

Trump has not tried to radicalise young Americans to go out and kill Muslims. Nor has he issued any threats to the UK or its people.

Can ANYONE on here recall ANY type of PUBLIC petition to expel evil Finsbury Islamic Hate Preacher and young Muslim radicaliser Abu Hamza who DID issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or how about evil Muslim solicitor, young Muslim radicaliser, and hate preacher Anjem Choudary who hailed as 'heroes' the terrorists responsible for the '911' atrocity in 2001, and the 7th of July 2005 attacks,and who DID pose a threat and issue threats against the UK and its people?

Or even evil Hate Preacher Mizanur Rahman who praised the Charlie Hebdo terrorist killers, and who hates Britain and calls us "The enemy of Islam"

I don't care what anyone else thinks, I would bet my last pound coin that the architects of this ridiculous pathetic 'Petition' do not have British interests at heart, and the sensationalising of it is rib-ticklingly hilarious because even if 500,000 sign it, that still leaves 54 or so million WHO HAVE NOT SIGNED IT.

100% correct. The far left have got us into this mess, they don't care about border control or security of the masses, they just want to do political points scoring, they also want to ban free speech on the right yet they said nothing about the Islamic hate preachers wanting to bomb the uk? theyre very dangerous anti patriotic anti Christian hypocrites

[MTVN]

Oh dear at the petition to ban him. Sums up social media activism where people spend a couple of seconds clicking their mouse and then congratulate themselves on having changed the world