[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here.

Ricky and Bear now get on well. They often play together late at night in the garden. But the show wants then to portray them as enemies.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Ricky and Bear now get on well. They often play together late at night in the garden. But the show wants then to portray them as enemies.

I think Bear has spoken more to Ricky lately, but he can't trust him because Ricky still speaks **** about him when he's not around.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I don't blame Lillie, I blame the producers for this mess of a situation. I just don't understand why everybody is acting like Lillie is the greatest thing to grace the earth when nobody even knows the girl. Hell she could have cheated on him, nobody knows.

So basically you blame everyone but the man who stuck his dick into another woman while in a relationship.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Oh no, but it is a record achievement. Don't you know that surviving a double eviction is counted as 2????

wow i'm shocked the second favourite to win has done that!?!? truly groundbreaking stuff

[Vicky.]

Don't think he was ever a frontrunner really. There is a massive anti vote against characters like him..people who do not give a crap about the other housemate in the f2 will vote for them just so Bear doesn't win. You need to be...less marmitey to win a show like this. Helen aside, as I genuinely do not think anyone actually thought she had even a tiny bit of a chance until it was too late for their vote to make a difference xD

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

So basically you blame everyone but the man who stuck his dick into another woman while in a relationship.

I don't agree with what Bear did (getting it on with Chloe (I don't think they had sex though)), but I think what he has done has been escalated to an extent that shouldn't have been reached by the show itself. What he does in the house has little relevance to his personal life outside of it imo.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I don't agree with what Bear did (getting it on with Chloe (I don't think they had sex though)), but I think what he has done has been escalated to an extent that shouldn't have been reached by the show itself. What he does in the house has little relevance to his personal life outside of it imo.

So again it's everyone's fault but his? Sorry I can't fathom how him making the choice to cheat on a girl he had introduced to his family and made commitments to is anyone's fault but his own.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here.

I agree with you ... On every point you've made.... I suppose it all depends on what people consider a villain ... I think Bear is genuine and no where near as hard faced as any of the remaining housemates.
I dislike passive aggressive people so for me Bear, with his Up Yours attitude to the game, is more my type of person.

[power2thepeople]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I don't agree with what Bear did (getting it on with Chloe (I don't think they had sex though)), but I think what he has done has been escalated to an extent that shouldn't have been reached by the show itself. What he does in the house has little relevance to his personal life outside of it imo.

So if we go down this route, BB should have kept a lid on Biggins comments and not evicted him to the obvious career ****storm?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here.

So goading people to the point of tears is your idea of a joke??

[alex_front2]

He could do a Perez Hilton in get a shock eviction prior to final, however Bear is definitely a front runner. He will inherit some of Lewis votes (so will Marnie) and even James's.
He gets most air time which often helps in VTS. HE'S got casual viewers backing him, women and teen girls who vote fancy him, and he has a strong social media fandom in a way Sam Fox and Renee doesn't.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I just don't understand why everybody is acting like Lillie is the greatest thing to grace the earth

Nobody is.

Originally Posted by caprimint

Hell she could have cheated on him, nobody knows.

Well precisely. People are judging Bear for something he 100% did do. Why should people overlook that on the basis of "Well she might have too!" when we've no indication of anything of the sort? Just reeks of yet more trying to absolve Bear of the blame for his own actions by putting the girl he cheated on under scrutiny instead.

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here.

Couldn't disagree more with that, I see way more malice and cruel intent in Bear than I ever did in Marc.

And Bear is still the villain. If I'd been stuck with someone as utterly spiteful as him who'd taken so much glee in upsetting others for over 3 weeks I'd be glad to see him get a taste of his own medicine too.

I honestly find it odd that people can defend Bear constantly and say he's doing nothing wrong but vilify another for something much lesser (and much more justified) just because it's aimed at Bear instead.

We've reached the point where Bear can't possibly do anything wrong but everything anyone else (who is anti-Bear of course) does is terrible.

[power2thepeople]

Lostie I agree whole-heartedly with you. But re the goading being more than apparently harmless jokes argument, I'm skimming over the justifications in his defence and the 'entertaining bloke' patter. I'd be curious to know if some folk would be comfortable and totally happy about their sons, brothers, nephews etc going out on the lash in a group with Bear and his banter antics. Considering he likes to stir it up then sit back and enjoy the rucus. I'd personally dread my son getting involved in a fight. But it's all good cos it's jokes and goading eh?

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

So again it's everyone's fault but his? Sorry I can't fathom how him making the choice to cheat on a girl he had introduced to his family and made commitments to is anyone's fault but his own.

I already previously said that I didn't agree with his actions, but it's also not something that is going to sway my opinion of him at all, however it will for many people which is a shame that his personal life is getting brought into and over his housemate status. The show is only to blame for that.

Originally Posted by hot2go

I agree with you ... On every point you've made.... I suppose it all depends on what people consider a villain ... I think Bear is genuine and no where near as hard faced as any of the remaining housemates.
I dislike passive aggressive people so for me Bear, with his Up Yours attitude to the game, is more my type of person.

For sure, I've heard/seen Ricky, Renee, Aubrey, Marnie and even Frankie (on BBUSA) say/do a lot worse things than Bear ever has. Bear is totally my type of person too - to watch on a tv show or be friends with irl.

Originally Posted by power2thepeople

So if we go down this route, BB should have kept a lid on Biggins comments and not evicted him to the obvious career ****storm?

No? What relevance does Chris' comment have to this conversation?

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So goading people to the point of tears is your idea of a joke??

If we're talking about Renee, well the woman cries at everything. She cries when she's mad, when she tries to make it up with Bear, when she's talking about her past, when she receives a letter off her son, when she shouts and is 'mean' to someone... The list goes on. It's not really Bear's problem if she can't handle herself.

Originally Posted by alex_front2

He could do a Pyrex in get a shock eviction prior to final, however Bear is definitely a front runner. He will inherit some of Lewis votes (so will Marnie) and even James's.
He gets most air time which often helps in VTS. HE'S got casual viewers backing him, women and teen girls who vote fancy him, and he has a strong social media fandom in a way Sam Fox and Renee doesn't.

I would really like it if at some point every female who votes for a male wasn't placed into the 'fancies him' category. Some people out there genuinely like him for who he is rather than for shallow reasons yknow.

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Nobody is.

Well precisely. People are judging Bear for something he 100% did do. Why should people overlook that on the basis of "Well she might have too!" when we've no indication of anything of the sort? Just reeks of yet more trying to absolve Bear of the blame for his own actions by putting the girl he cheated on under scrutiny instead.

Couldn't disagree more with that, I see way more malice and cruel intent in Bear than I ever did in Marc.

And Bear is still the villain. If I'd been stuck with someone as utterly spiteful as him who'd taken so much glee in upsetting others for over 3 weeks I'd be glad to see him get a taste of his own medicine too.

I honestly find it odd that people can defend Bear constantly and say he's doing nothing wrong but vilify another for something much lesser (and much more justified) just because it's aimed at Bear instead.

We've reached the point where Bear can't possibly do anything wrong but everything anyone else (who is anti-Bear of course) does is terrible.

Judge him all you like for what he did - it's completely valid and I'm sure even he would say the same. All I was saying was that it's not something that I feel should have been highlighted by the show itself rather than by own actions because I think it's highly unfair, especially when everyone else is getting positive things and he gets ****.

Bear is only the 'villain' because the majority of people don't speak for more than two sentences at a time and because he's willing to actually create some fun and do something a little daring and exciting rather than act as though he's interested in hearing about how great Sam thinks she and the UK apparently do for the 72638th time. Some of the goings on I've seen in that house have been much more 'evil' than dropping some eggs on the floor for absolute sure.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Bear is only the 'villain' because the majority of people don't speak for more than two sentences at a time and because he's willing to actually create some fun and do something a little daring and exciting rather than act as though he's interested in hearing about how great Sam thinks she and the UK apparently do for the 72638th time. Some of the goings on I've seen in that house have been much more 'evil' than dropping some eggs on the floor for absolute sure.

"Fun" being a euphemism for making things difficult for others? It's a shame his idea of fun isn't a little more good-natured and inclusive.

And I'd say there's been one event that's rivalled Bear and his twat pack cronies for awfulness and that's Aubrey spitting in his food (which was indeed horrid). I can't recall anything any of those labelled "bores" have done that's been so bad (and according to Bear supporters, they never do anything anyway so they can't have done anything drastically terrible).

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I already previously said that I didn't agree with his actions, but it's also not something that is going to sway my opinion of him at all, however it will for many people which is a shame that his personal life is getting brought into and over his housemate status. The show is only to blame for that.


For sure, I've heard/seen Ricky, Renee, Aubrey, Marnie and even Frankie (on BBUSA) say/do a lot worse things than Bear ever has. Bear is totally my type of person too - to watch on a tv show or be friends with irl.


No? What relevance does Chris' comment have to this conversation?


If we're talking about Renee, well the woman cries at everything. She cries when she's mad, when she tries to make it up with Bear, when she's talking about her past, when she receives a letter off her son, when she shouts and is 'mean' to someone... The list goes on. It's not really Bear's problem if she can't handle herself.


I would really like it if at some point every female who votes for a male wasn't placed into the 'fancies him' category. Some people out there genuinely like him for who he is rather than for shallow reasons yknow.


Judge him all you like for what he did - it's completely valid and I'm sure even he would say the same. All I was saying was that it's not something that I feel should have been highlighted by the show itself rather than by own actions because I think it's highly unfair, especially when everyone else is getting positive things and he gets ****.

Bear is only the 'villain' because the majority of people don't speak for more than two sentences at a time and because he's willing to actually create some fun and do something a little daring and exciting rather than act as though he's interested in hearing about how great Sam thinks she and the UK apparently do for the 72638th time. Some of the goings on I've seen in that house have been much more 'evil' than dropping some eggs on the floor for absolute sure.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

"Fun" being a euphemism for making things difficult for others? It's a shame his idea of fun isn't a little more good-natured and inclusive.

And I'd say there's been one event that's rivalled Bear and his twat pack cronies for awfulness and that's Aubrey spitting in his food (which was indeed horrid). I can't recall anything any of those labelled "bores" have done that's been so bad (and according to Bear supporters, they never do anything anyway so they can't have done anything drastically terrible).

As Katie Hopkins says you only choose to take offense to others' actions. I think it's a shame the majority didn't give him some back and played the game alongside him, but instead he got the reaction he wanted and that's why he continues doing it.

That is one event that is much worse, another few I would say are Renee's name-calling of Bear (lowlife etc etc, the list goes on, really nasty adjectives when he's never outright insulted her), Ricky's "good" on Bear's genuine upset, Heavy D's aggression towards Lewis and vice versa, Marnie shoving her **** in Saira's face. That's just without even thinking too hard.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by caprimint

As Katie Hopkins says you only choose to take offense to others' actions. I think it's a shame the majority didn't give him some back and played the game alongside him, but instead he got the reaction he wanted and that's why he continues doing it.

That's really such a weak cop out just used by people who want carte blanche to be able to act as badly as they wish but not take responsibility for the effects.

Originally Posted by caprimint

That is one event that is much worse, another few I would say are Renee's name-calling of Bear (lowlife etc etc, the list goes on, really nasty adjectives when he's never outright insulted her), Ricky's "good" on Bear's genuine upset, Heavy D's aggression towards Lewis and vice versa, Marnie shoving her **** in Saira's face. That's just without even thinking too hard.

I actually agree about the Marnie, Lewis and Heavy stuff being as bad (though Bear was also involved in the Marnie one let's not forget), I assumed you were talking about the quieter housemates.

Speaking of, I don't see how you can defend Bear intentionally upsetting people and then criticise Ricky for being glad he's now receiving some upset of his own. If you think Ricky is worse simply because of this then that just further proves my point that you're holding Bear and the ones you don't like to different standards.

And I'm not a huge Renee supporter (and the bisexual comment would have been a better example to use tbh) but for me, Bear's actions towards the house have been worse than her words towards him.

[hot2go]

Nothing Bear has done in the house has been threatening towards other housemates and his personal life outside of the house has no bearing on my assessment of him.
I couldn't care less about his private life, especially his five minute relationship with a fellow fame wannabe who works for the same agency as him.
Of all the bad or embarrassing things connected to the other housemates I find Bears girlfriend situation one of the least offensive.

He's being used as the poster boy for house full of dodgy poeple. Big Brother have no right to single him out and pick on him. BB are doing the same thing they reprimanded Lewis for when he and Marnie did it to Heavy.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Nothing Bear has done in the house has been threatening towards other housemates and his personal life outside of the house has no bearing on my assessment of him.
I couldn't care less about his private life, especially his five minute relationship with a fellow fame wannabe who works for the same agency as him.
Of all the bad or embarrassing things connected to the other housemates I find Bears girlfriend situation one of the least offensive.

He's being used as the poster boy for house full of dodgy poeple. Big Brother have no right to single him out and pick on him. BB are doing the same thing they reprimanded Lewis for when he and Marnie did it to Heavy.

Yes, but I wonder if they're trying to get him the sympathy vote. They did the same with Jason and he won the show.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, but I wonder if they're trying to get him the sympathy vote. They did the same with Jason and he won the show.

Well maybe, I hope not cause I don't think that's how he bounces along himself and IMO he doesn't need it, he's been great the way he's played it.
But BB and a lot of people on here wholly disagreed when Heavy was isolated from the group and picked on YET it's being not only seen as OK to do that to Bear but people are actually celebrating it....so much hypocrisy.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Well maybe, I hope not cause I don't think that's how he bounces along himself and IMO he doesn't need it, he's been great the way he's played it.
But BB and a lot of people on here wholly disagreed when Heavy was isolated from the group and picked on YET it's being not only seen as OK to do that to Bear but people are actually celebrating it....so much hypocrisy.

I agree, but I think it will go on his favour, so I can overlook it

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by hot2go

But BB and a lot of people on here wholly disagreed when Heavy was isolated from the group and picked on YET it's being not only seen as OK to do that to Bear but people are actually celebrating it....so much hypocrisy.

This is so true. There is always bias to some extent - like when Renee cries everybody should feel bad and go and apologize to her, but when Bear does he deserves to feel like **** apparently. It's a logic I can't really get behind at all.

Originally Posted by Lostie!

That's really such a weak cop out just used by people who want carte blanche to be able to act as badly as they wish but not take responsibility for the effects.

I actually agree about the Marnie, Lewis and Heavy stuff being as bad (though Bear was also involved in the Marnie one let's not forget), I assumed you were talking about the quieter housemates.

Speaking of, I don't see how you can defend Bear intentionally upsetting people and then criticise Ricky for being glad he's now receiving some upset of his own. If you think Ricky is worse simply because of this then that just further proves my point that you're holding Bear and the ones you don't like to different standards.

And I'm not a huge Renee supporter (and the bisexual comment would have been a better example to use tbh) but for me, Bear's actions towards the house have been worse than her words towards him.

I think a lot of the time (especially on these kinds of shows) that comment rings quite true. People know how to play the game and what they choose to be offended by to get themselves a bit of sympathy and make the other person play the devil's role. It's really easy to play the 'bully' card too.

I would have no problems with admitting to finding anything wrong in the stuff Bear has done (it would have no bearing on my opinion of him as I have already made my thoughts clear), but honestly I think there is a major overreaction going on - purely because of not only the other housemates' reactions, but also because they don't do anything themselves so it looks a lot worse on Bear as there's nothing to compare to. Usually in a series you have a few storylines taking over each other, one gets forgotten etc and people move on to hating someone new, but Bear is the one who this series is gonna belong to in a few years time despite who wins. I believe there is a deeper level of nastiness behind revelling in seeing someone cry than throwing food around, for example.

The bisexual comment was awful too, but I avoided using that because it's technically her 'opinion' rather than something she's done. A dumb one at that, however.

[Paula D]

Him and Ricky are now neck and neck and I think Ricky blew it last night by not taking part in the task.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Nothing Bear has done in the house has been threatening towards other housemates and his personal life outside of the house has no bearing on my assessment of him.
I couldn't care less about his private life, especially his five minute relationship with a fellow fame wannabe who works for the same agency as him.
Of all the bad or embarrassing things connected to the other housemates I find Bears girlfriend situation one of the least offensive.

He's being used as the poster boy for house full of dodgy poeple. Big Brother have no right to single him out and pick on him. BB are doing the same thing they reprimanded Lewis for when he and Marnie did it to Heavy.