[arista]

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not on our side of the border though, so responsibility is not equal. We have no jurisdiction on French soil, and the illegal camp is on French soil, not UK soil.

I have to say, with winter approaching fast, if we are concerned about humanitarian issues, we should be looking at our homeless in the UK. They have far less protection, security and facilities available to them than the immigrants on French soil. We actually have no duty what so ever to look after anyone in the French camps.

Incorrect, under the dubs amendment we do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

we have camps under the North Circular, who is helping them?

Have you asked them?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you asked them?

No one, according to a report on the London news, these are people who are working in the capital as well but cant afford to rent

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Embed Feed Watch time-lapse footage of life jacket graveyard being created in Parliament Square IBTimes UK
More than 10,000 people now live in the so-called Calais Jungle migrant camp near the port of Calais access point to the Channel Tunnel, a new census has revealed.

Migrants, some fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East, Africa and Asia have amassed, in their thousands, on the French coast with the hope of making their way into the UK. But as the migrant crisis in the port continues, French authorities have been carrying out their strongest crackdown on migrants for five years, evicting, arresting, detaining or deporting migrants from France.

More from IBTimes UK
14-year-old Afghan refugee killed while attempting to board lorry to illegally enter UK from Calais
Four suspected smugglers arrested in Calais for selling dinghies to desperate migrants
Calais: Sudanese man becomes 11th victim of clashes between refugees from overcrowded camp
Which nationalities make up the most Jungle's population?

- Sudanese refugees: 43%

- Afghans: 33%

- Syrians and Iraqis (including Kurds): 1% each of the overall camp population

The population of the camp has risen above 10,000 for the first time, with the population now totalling 10,188 – according to a new census from L' Auberge des Migrants/ Help Refugees. This represents a 12% increase in the overall population since August.

The shocking new figures also reveal that the number of unaccompanied minors has increased by 51% month-on-month – bringing to 1,179 the number of underage youths in the camp, of which 87% are unaccompanied.

Of those surveyed for the census, 52% reported issues in receiving accommodation, including waits of up to 8 months to be offered even temporary shelter by local authorities, L' Auberge des Migrants/ Help Refugees said.

That's approx 1026 unaccompanied minors, all the reports I have seen suggest we have taken approx 300, how is that half?

'Approximately two thousand camp residents, including an estimated 300 minors, passed through the registration centre on the fringe of the camp yesterday, according to a spokesman for the French Interior.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7378271.html

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No one, according to a report on the London news, these are people who are working in the capital as well but cant afford to rent

Look, my heart bleeds....A LOT.

But if you are asking me to weep over someone bleating about the cost of a studio flat in SW1... Sorry I'm all cried out.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Incorrect, under the dubs amendment we do.

If someone in Australia buys a ticket to come to the UK, appears at Sydney airport for the flight, but doesn't have a visa, he will be told he can't travel, and cheerio.

We are not duty bound to take care of anyone not legally eligible to come to our country. End of.

[iloveaisleyne]

Sorry I probably sound really ignorant but
If they are in a safe country (France) why are they so intent on coming over here? Surely if you were on the risk of being killed in your country you'd be happy to be anywhere as long as it is safe?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by iloveaisleyne

Sorry I probably sound really ignorant but
If they are in a safe country (France) why are they so intent on coming over here? Surely if you were on the risk of being killed in your country you'd be happy to be anywhere as long as it is safe?

Hi,

You are WAY too logical for this place.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Incorrect, under the dubs amendment we do.

To be precise, The Dubs Amendment applies ONLY to unaccompanied CHILDREN - NOT adults, NOT to children with parents, and especially NOT to SKANKING ADULTS PRETENDING TO BE CHILDREN.

There is now also NO preset number of just how many unaccompanied children we have to take under the Dubs Amendment - that being subject now to the discretion of individual councils within the UK.

So, with respect, it is YOU not BOTS who is 'incorrect'.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Look, my heart bleeds....A LOT.

But if you are asking me to weep over someone bleating about the cost of a studio flat in SW1... Sorry I'm all cried out.

Wow so it's okay for people who pay taxes to live in tents in London because property prices are high ...even though high prices are not their fault

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Wow so it's okay for people who pay taxes to live in tents in London because property prices are high ...even though high prices are not their fault

It seems that Humanitarianism and caring and compassion does not extend to the indigenous British.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If someone in Australia buys a ticket to come to the UK, appears at Sydney airport for the flight, but doesn't have a visa, he will be told he can't travel, and cheerio.

We are not duty bound to take care of anyone not legally eligible to come to our country. End of.

We are legally obliged.

'Lord Dubs, the Labour peer who earlier this year masterminded a political coup forcing the government to promise to give sanctuary to some unaccompanied child refugees, usually comes across as an upbeat figure, not inclined to wallow in despair. Today he seems momentarily overwhelmed by the horrific situation facing about 860 children living here in second-hand camping tents and flimsy wooden shacks. Given the amount of energy he has dedicated to trying to help them, and the complete absence of any progress to date, he has every reason to feel depressed.

“It is a disgrace. A piece of legislation was passed with enormous public support, and the government has done nothing discernible about it,” he says. As a former child refugee himself, brought to Britain from Czechoslovakia on one of the Kindertransport trains in 1939, his sense of anger at the political inaction is particularly acute.'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

To be precise, The Dubs Amendment applies ONLY to unaccompanied CHILDREN - NOT adults, NOT to children with parents, and especially NOT to SKANKING ADULTS PRETENDING TO BE CHILDREN.

There is now also NO preset number of just how many unaccompanied children we have to take under the Dubs Amendment - that being subject now to the discretion of individual councils within the UK.

So, with respect, it is YOU not BOTS who is 'incorrect'.

I have been addressing the issue in relation to children for the past 4 pages...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Wow so it's okay for people who pay taxes to live in tents in London because property prices are high ...even though high prices are not their fault

Did I say it was ok?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This crisis has reached crisis scenario because an awful lot of non refugees have paid people smugglers to bring them into Europe to try and get them into the UK.Its clear that the residents of The Jungle only travelled all the way through Europe to Calais to come to the UK.That's why it's there.The real regugees are stuck in refugee camps waiting for help while these economic migrants are slowing that whole process down.Also these adults posing as children are despicable when they know that there are actual children in there who are vulnerable.The real children need getting out of there and then our government needs to get on with helping the actual refugees in the real refugee camps.

You know, I used to consider myself about as left as they come until recently. My opinions have changed on so many things I am doubting that now..this being one of them. I completely agree with the bolded part. It is shocking that those who have traveled through many safe countries to get here appear to be prioritized over those genuinely scared for their/their families lives.

I cannot agree that those posing as children are 'despicable' as honestly, humans do whatever they can to get the best for themselves. Its kind of in our nature.

However it is shocking that this has been allowed to happen when kids as young as 8 are alone there. But again, the question kind of comes, how the **** did 8 year olds manage to find their way to Calais alone?! However they got there I do think we should take them in, but those coming just for jobs/benefits/whatever need to go back and we can take in genuine refugees in their place. Our intake of refugees has been dire and must be improved..these are ****ing people and we cannot ignore them. However I cannot find it in me to get too annoyed about economic migrants having their makeshift illegal home taken from them. Refugees, of course we should help them. people posing as if they need help when they don't...no. I don't doubt these people think they could have a better life in the UK...but while thousands upon thousands actually need to be here to literally survive..people wanting in just for more money or whatever can get to the back of the line.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We are legally obliged.

'Lord Dubs, the Labour peer who earlier this year masterminded a political coup forcing the government to promise to give sanctuary to some unaccompanied child refugees, usually comes across as an upbeat figure, not inclined to wallow in despair. Today he seems momentarily overwhelmed by the horrific situation facing about 860 children living here in second-hand camping tents and flimsy wooden shacks. Given the amount of energy he has dedicated to trying to help them, and the complete absence of any progress to date, he has every reason to feel depressed.

“It is a disgrace. A piece of legislation was passed with enormous public support, and the government has done nothing discernible about it,” he says. As a former child refugee himself, brought to Britain from Czechoslovakia on one of the Kindertransport trains in 1939, his sense of anger at the political inaction is particularly acute.'

the key words there are child and refugee .... or have the last n pages not made that clear

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the key words there are child and refugee .... or have the last n pages not made that clear

Well yes.... Seeing as that is what I have been discussing, as I said earlier for several pages.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by iloveaisleyne

Sorry I probably sound really ignorant but
If they are in a safe country (France) why are they so intent on coming over here? Surely if you were on the risk of being killed in your country you'd be happy to be anywhere as long as it is safe?

Not ignorant.This is the point that me and a few others also make quite regularly.
It's like banging your head off a brick wall

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You know, I used to consider myself about as left as they come until recently. My opinions have changed on so many things I am doubting that now..this being one of them. I completely agree with the bolded part. It is shocking that those who have traveled through many safe countries to get here appear to be prioritized over those genuinely scared for their/their families lives.

I cannot agree that those posing as children are 'despicable' as honestly, humans do whatever they can to get the best for themselves. Its kind of in our nature.

However it is shocking that this has been allowed to happen when kids as young as 8 are alone there. But again, the question kind of comes, how the **** did 8 year olds manage to find their way to Calais alone?! However they got there I do think we should take them in, but those coming just for jobs/benefits/whatever need to go back and we can take in genuine refugees in their place. Our intake of refugees has been dire and must be improved..these are ****ing people and we cannot ignore them. However I cannot find it in me to get too annoyed about economic migrants having their makeshift illegal home taken from them. Refugees, of course we should help them. people posing as if they need help when they don't...no. I don't doubt these people think they could have a better life in the UK...but while thousands upon thousands actually need to be here to literally survive..people wanting in just for more money or whatever can get to the back of the line.

Totally agree.We should be sending the message out to genuine refugees that the quickest route to the UK is in the refugee camps and that they WILL NOT get in jumping on the back of lorries or pretending to be children.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Totally agree.We should be sending the message out to genuine refugees that the quickest route to the UK is in the refugee camps and that they WILL NOT get in jumping on the back of lorries or pretending to be children.

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

I'd bet not a large percentage of those in that Jungle camp are from Syria

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I'd bet not a large percentage of those in that Jungle camp are from Syria

This is from this time last year... so the amount of people you could probably triple.

Why is the UK seen as a target?

The situation in Calais is part of a wider migration crisis in Europe - caused largely by the displacement of people from war-torn countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, and Eritrea, and also North Africa.
Many want to claim asylum in the UK. Others want to enter the country incognito to remain as illegal workers.
Natacha Bouchart, Mayor of Calais, has said illegal migrants perceive Britain as a "soft touch" for benefits, and a better place to find jobs in the black economy than France - although studies do not necessarily back up this view.
The British Red Cross said most migrants wanted to make the move because they believed there was a better prospect of finding work in the UK, or because they speak English and want to use the language. Others have relatives in the UK, or are drawn by a belief that there is better housing and education available.
The UK is certainly not alone as a target destination. According to the EU's statistics body Eurostat, Germany saw the most non-EU asylum seekers in 2014 - almost 203,000 - followed by Sweden, Italy, France, Hungary, and then the UK.
But the huge influx of migrants into Europe has seen asylum applications soar. Germany - the most popular destination - says it is expecting 800,000 refugees to arrive this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29074736

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

Why should they be prioritized over the others who stayed put? Someone fit enough to swim across an ocean, if thats what happened, should not be priority over, for example, a four year old child.

Sorry maybe its true that I am getting desensitized, and maybe its wrong to disregard some for the sake of others...but we cannot take in everyone and I would rather take in those most in need. I find it hard to believe that a large amount of those camped out at the border are Syrian basically because if they were, they would be happy anywhere than is safe, rather than trying to get to one specific country

[Vicky.]

With the stats you posted though, Germany really has put us to shame over all of this. 800k...and we take in a thousand or so :S