[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This crisis has reached crisis scenario because an awful lot of non refugees have paid people smugglers to bring them into Europe to try and get them into the UK.Its clear that the residents of The Jungle only travelled all the way through Europe to Calais to come to the UK.That's why it's there.The real regugees are stuck in refugee camps waiting for help while these economic migrants are slowing that whole process down.Also these adults posing as children are despicable when they know that there are actual children in there who are vulnerable.The real children need getting out of there and then our government needs to get on with helping the actual refugees in the real refugee camps.

You know, I used to consider myself about as left as they come until recently. My opinions have changed on so many things I am doubting that now..this being one of them. I completely agree with the bolded part. It is shocking that those who have traveled through many safe countries to get here appear to be prioritized over those genuinely scared for their/their families lives.

I cannot agree that those posing as children are 'despicable' as honestly, humans do whatever they can to get the best for themselves. Its kind of in our nature.

However it is shocking that this has been allowed to happen when kids as young as 8 are alone there. But again, the question kind of comes, how the **** did 8 year olds manage to find their way to Calais alone?! However they got there I do think we should take them in, but those coming just for jobs/benefits/whatever need to go back and we can take in genuine refugees in their place. Our intake of refugees has been dire and must be improved..these are ****ing people and we cannot ignore them. However I cannot find it in me to get too annoyed about economic migrants having their makeshift illegal home taken from them. Refugees, of course we should help them. people posing as if they need help when they don't...no. I don't doubt these people think they could have a better life in the UK...but while thousands upon thousands actually need to be here to literally survive..people wanting in just for more money or whatever can get to the back of the line.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You know, I used to consider myself about as left as they come until recently. My opinions have changed on so many things I am doubting that now..this being one of them. I completely agree with the bolded part. It is shocking that those who have traveled through many safe countries to get here appear to be prioritized over those genuinely scared for their/their families lives.

I cannot agree that those posing as children are 'despicable' as honestly, humans do whatever they can to get the best for themselves. Its kind of in our nature.

However it is shocking that this has been allowed to happen when kids as young as 8 are alone there. But again, the question kind of comes, how the **** did 8 year olds manage to find their way to Calais alone?! However they got there I do think we should take them in, but those coming just for jobs/benefits/whatever need to go back and we can take in genuine refugees in their place. Our intake of refugees has been dire and must be improved..these are ****ing people and we cannot ignore them. However I cannot find it in me to get too annoyed about economic migrants having their makeshift illegal home taken from them. Refugees, of course we should help them. people posing as if they need help when they don't...no. I don't doubt these people think they could have a better life in the UK...but while thousands upon thousands actually need to be here to literally survive..people wanting in just for more money or whatever can get to the back of the line.

Totally agree.We should be sending the message out to genuine refugees that the quickest route to the UK is in the refugee camps and that they WILL NOT get in jumping on the back of lorries or pretending to be children.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Totally agree.We should be sending the message out to genuine refugees that the quickest route to the UK is in the refugee camps and that they WILL NOT get in jumping on the back of lorries or pretending to be children.

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

I'd bet not a large percentage of those in that Jungle camp are from Syria

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I'd bet not a large percentage of those in that Jungle camp are from Syria

This is from this time last year... so the amount of people you could probably triple.

Why is the UK seen as a target?

The situation in Calais is part of a wider migration crisis in Europe - caused largely by the displacement of people from war-torn countries such as Syria, Afghanistan, and Eritrea, and also North Africa.
Many want to claim asylum in the UK. Others want to enter the country incognito to remain as illegal workers.
Natacha Bouchart, Mayor of Calais, has said illegal migrants perceive Britain as a "soft touch" for benefits, and a better place to find jobs in the black economy than France - although studies do not necessarily back up this view.
The British Red Cross said most migrants wanted to make the move because they believed there was a better prospect of finding work in the UK, or because they speak English and want to use the language. Others have relatives in the UK, or are drawn by a belief that there is better housing and education available.
The UK is certainly not alone as a target destination. According to the EU's statistics body Eurostat, Germany saw the most non-EU asylum seekers in 2014 - almost 203,000 - followed by Sweden, Italy, France, Hungary, and then the UK.
But the huge influx of migrants into Europe has seen asylum applications soar. Germany - the most popular destination - says it is expecting 800,000 refugees to arrive this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29074736

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

Why should they be prioritized over the others who stayed put? Someone fit enough to swim across an ocean, if thats what happened, should not be priority over, for example, a four year old child.

Sorry maybe its true that I am getting desensitized, and maybe its wrong to disregard some for the sake of others...but we cannot take in everyone and I would rather take in those most in need. I find it hard to believe that a large amount of those camped out at the border are Syrian basically because if they were, they would be happy anywhere than is safe, rather than trying to get to one specific country

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why should they be prioritized over the others who stayed put? Someone fit enough to swim across an ocean, if thats what happened, should not be priority over, for example, a four year old child.

Sorry maybe its true that I am getting desensitized, and maybe its wrong to disregard some for the sake of others...but we cannot take in everyone and I would rather take in those most in need. I find it hard to believe that a large amount of those camped out at the border are Syrian basically because if they were, they would be happy anywhere than is safe, rather than trying to get to one specific country

No that's not what happened, that would be impossible.

They are here, maybe they shouldn't have any priority they wouldn't have it now if the French hadn't forced the arm of our govt to act, not many appear to be coming from the 5 million currently seeking asylum from Syria though do they?
The question of why they want to be here has been answered countless times, family connections, good wages, healthcare, and the fact they speak our language.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No that's not what happened, that would be impossible.

They are here, maybe they shouldn't have any priority they wouldn't have it now if the French hadn't forced the arm of our govt to act, not many appear to be coming from the 5 million currently seeking asylum from Syria though do they?
The question of why they want to be here has been answered countless times, family connections, good wages, healthcare, and the fact they speak our language.

I totally understand this. However it just seems wrong to be letting in people like this when there are people genuinely scared for their lives and in actual danger.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I totally understand this. However it just seems wrong to be letting in people like this when there are people genuinely scared for their lives and in actual danger.

I don't disagree with you there, that's not to say I agree with sending people back to a warzone, it's a catch 22 situation

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

In all the coverage of this farce I have not seen any Syrian migrants just Asian ones

[Cherie]

French Officials say the camp has been cleared, aid agencies beg to differ and say there are still children in the camp and waiting to be registered

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

French Officials say the camp has been cleared, aid agencies beg to differ and say there are still children in the camp and waiting to be registered

Really I am surprised, and what do our officials say about 8000 people just being spirited away? Not much I bet.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In all the coverage of this farce I have not seen any Syrian migrants just Asian ones

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