[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Know what? I don't give a rats backside if I am called a racist. Muslim migration needs to be stopped altogether and 'suspected terrorists' need to be evicted without delay.

I am inclined to agree with that. I read an article recently that said that due to the severity of the situation Germany is also planning to deport terrorists born in Germany which would remove that safety net they conveniently hide behind and rely on.

If they think they can't be deported because they were born in the country they terrorise they think they are invincible. They are not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is that your travelling brother? Whose blog I read?

No my travelling brother is the youngest, the brother who got engaged is younger than me too but only by two years

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No my travelling brother is the youngest, the brother who got engaged is younger than me too but only by two years

Awww well, I hope they're very happy x

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

From what I understood he served his time in prison? so he was free just as anyone else is free after they served their time

We are effectively at war with these terrorists and different rules should apply in my opinion. If people have already been imprisoned for terrorist offences they pose a clear-cut danger to everyone and therefore their rights should not supersede the rights and lives of future victims. Honestly sometimes the West are their own worst enemies.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Awww well, I hope they're very happy x

I was shocked tbh, I never thought he'd get married, I mean he's been with his partner ages, he's just very non religious/non conformist

[DemolitionRed]

Karim Cheurfi was French. He crossed no borders and he’s been a cop hater since at least 2003, before IS was formed and long before all these lone wolf attacks started happening in Europe.

The one thing that won’t stop this sort of terrorism, if it was indeed terrorism is closing the borders. Middle Eastern, Arabs and Africans don’t have the privilege of open borders because the borders are only open to EU nationals. I get the impression that a lot of people believe ‘open borders’ means any alien can just walk on through and that’s simply not true.

We can shout and get emotional and stamp our feet and blame the Left all we want but none of this will change reality; that radicalized lone wolf attacks will continue… even if we were to fully stop Muslim immigration.

As long as we hold hands with the U.S, in this ‘war on terror’, we will see terror on our own shores. These are unwinnable wars and if we don’t do something radically different we will continue to be the victims of circumstance and radicalized Islamist fascists will walk among us.

This man was on the French radar but the French authorities did nothing… why? How many more people are on their radar that they are doing nothing about? We can’t move on without critical reflection or every future attack just becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Karim Cheurfi was French. He crossed no borders and he’s been a cop hater since at least 2003, before IS was formed and long before all these lone wolf attacks started happening in Europe.

The one thing that won’t stop this sort of terrorism, if it was indeed terrorism is closing the borders. Middle Eastern, Arabs and Africans don’t have the privilege of open borders because the borders are only open to EU nationals. I get the impression that a lot of people believe ‘open borders’ means any alien can just walk on through and that’s simply not true.

We can shout and get emotional and stamp our feet and blame the Left all we want but none of this will change reality; that radicalized lone wolf attacks will continue… even if we were to fully stop Muslim immigration.

As long as we hold hands with the U.S, in this ‘war on terror’, we will see terror on our own shores. These are unwinnable wars and if we don’t do something radically different we will continue to be the victims of circumstance and radicalized Islamist fascists will walk among us.

This man was on the French radar but the French authorities did nothing… why? How many more people are on their radar that they are doing nothing about? We can’t move on without critical reflection or every future attack just becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Critical reflection of the West I presume you mean, somehow it's our fault not theirs. The more we allow into the West the more terrorism their will be and that is on their heads not ours. We are making it too easy for them and we have to stop doing that. Too many are eaten up with hate - it seems to be a way of life for some.

Are the French, Swedes, Germans holding hands with the USA - attacks there have increased - mainly due to their willingness to take so many refugees. Look at the thanks they get for that.

How do you suggest we do things differently - appease them, bow down to them, don't make them angry. These people thrive on fear - it's how they get their rocks off.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Critical reflection of the West I presume you mean, somehow it's our fault not theirs.

If you are being attacked you have to ask why they are attacking you and inevitably you have to take some responsibility for the events because almost without exception, you are being attacked because the person who is attacking you sees you as their enemy.

Critical reflection of everything involved with terrorism as well as why that terrorism is happening.

The more we allow into the West the more terrorism their will be and that is on their heads not ours. We are making it too easy for them and we have to stop doing that. Too many are eaten up with hate - it seems to be a way of life for some.

It doesn't take foreigners to recruit, raise funds and train others. Many of the more robust extremists are Muslim converts who were born here. You say too many are eaten up with hate. I say a select few have been radialized to become fascist Islamists but I also say that those select few are a huge risk to us and that we need better solutions to seek out and apprehend them before they go on to commit their atrocities.

Are the French, Swedes, Germans holding hands with the USA - attacks there have increased - mainly due to their willingness to take so many refugees. Look at the thanks they get for that.

Yes, each one of those countries have been holding hands with the USA.

How do you suggest we do things differently - appease them, bow down to them, don't make them angry. These people thrive on fear - it's how they get their rocks off.

Why do you say such ridiculous things such as "bow down to them". I haven't suggested for a moment that we should appease them or bow down to them but I do believe we need different strategies because what we have done thus far just seems to fire these people up to commit more atrocities. We are dealing with people who are blinded by a cause. The word jihad has been hijacked and perverted to mean violent struggle wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, and turned into terrorism by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, IS and others and whatever we do, these people are one step ahead of us.

Closing borders will make no difference because they are already here.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If you are being attacked you have to ask why they are attacking you and inevitably you have to take some responsibility for the events because almost without exception, you are being attacked because the person who is attacking you sees you as their enemy.

Critical reflection of everything involved with terrorism as well as why that terrorism is happening.


It doesn't take foreigners to recruit, raise funds and train others. Many of the more robust extremists are Muslim converts who were born here. You say too many are eaten up with hate. I say a select few have been radialized to become fascist Islamists but I also say that those select few are a huge risk to us and that we need better solutions to seek out and apprehend them before they go on to commit their atrocities.
Yes, each one of those countries have been holding hands with the USA.


Why do you say such ridiculous things such as "bow down to them". I haven't suggested for a moment that we should appease them or bow down to them but I do believe we need different strategies because what we have done thus far just seems to fire these people up to commit more atrocities. We are dealing with people who are blinded by a cause. The word jihad has been hijacked and perverted to mean violent struggle wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, and turned into terrorism by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, IS and others and whatever we do, these people are one step ahead of us.

Closing borders will make no difference because they are already here.

They are already here, that doesn't mean they can't be be deported if there are significant reasons to believe they are involved with/supporting terrorism. To avoid inreasing their numbers and strength such immigration should stop.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They are already here, that doesn't mean they can't be be deported if there are significant reasons to believe they are involved with/supporting terrorism.

I agree, they should be deported unless of course they are British. If they are British we can't deport them but we need to do more than just keep them on our radar because "on our radar" doesn't work

To avoid inreasing their numbers and strength such immigration should stop.

We also need to remind ourselves not to get paranoid about Muslims because 99.9% of them are just average law abiding people like ourselves.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree, they should be deported unless of course they are British. If they are British we can't deport them but we need to do more than just keep them on our radar because "on our radar" doesn't work



We also need to remind ourselves not to get paranoid about Muslims because 99.9% of them are just average law abiding people like ourselves.

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

Many of them are British who convert to Islam. Where do you deport a British person to?

As for Germany, its a suggestion, a thought; a perhaps something to think about for the future. As yet its not happening and its doubtful it ever will so its irrelevant.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

Deport them to where? If they were born and raised in Britain?

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[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Many of them are British who convert to Islam. Where do you deport a British person to?

As for Germany, its a suggestion, a thought; a perhaps something to think about for the future. As yet its not happening and its doubtful it ever will so its irrelevant.

Where their parents were from obviously. They are terrorists why would anyone be concerned about their feelings on the subject. They are grown ups. Judging by their actions a Muslim country is where their loyalties lie so let them get on with it, just not on our soil.

Sorry but I don't think it's irrelevant because you don't believe it will ever happen.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where their parents were from obviously.

What if their parents are British?

They are terrorists why would anyone be concerned about their feelings on the subject. They are grown ups. Judging by their actions a Muslim country is where their loyalties lie so let them get on with it, just not on our soil.

Who is concerned about their feelings? Muslims, just like Jews, Christians, Hindus etc live the world over. In most countries, including the UK, they are the nationality of the country they are born in.

It sounds like you are suggesting Islam is a race and its not British.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What if their parents are British?


Who is concerned about their feelings? Muslims, just like Jews, Christians, Hindus etc live the world over. In most countries, including the UK, they are the nationality of the country they are born in.

It sounds like you are suggesting Islam is a race and its not British.

I don't believe being born in a country automatically makes you a citizen of that country. Never have. Nothing is written in stone and in the case of adult terrorists their belief systems and alliegencies are more relevant.

For example It's an absolutely ridiculous situation when So-called British Muslims go to Syria or some other Muslim country to fight against and kill British troops. They can't have their cake and eat it. It's treason. Their actions dictate their alligence and citizenship in my opinion. They should be stripped of their passports permanently.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't believe being born in a country automatically makes you a citizen of that country. Never have. Nothing is written in stone and in the case of adult terrorists their belief systems and alliegencies are more relevant.

I take it you don't like our rules, rights and customs? If everyone thought like you we would live in anarchy.

For example It's an absolutely ridiculous situation when So-called British Muslims go to Syria or some other Muslim country to fight against and kill British troops. They can't have their cake and eat it. It's treason. Their actions dictate their alligence and citizenship in my opinion. They should be stripped of their passports permanently.

I agree, it is treason and its treated as treason and committing treason is one of the most serious crimes you can be punished for.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where their parents were from obviously. They are terrorists why would anyone be concerned about their feelings on the subject. They are grown ups. Judging by their actions a Muslim country is where their loyalties lie so let them get on with it, just not on our soil.

Sorry but I don't think it's irrelevant because you don't believe it will ever happen.

You cant deport someone to a country they're not from though, I'm sure you wouldnt expect Britain to accept a criminal who wasnt even British just because their country of origion doesnt want them

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[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You cant deport someone to a country they're not from though, I'm sure you wouldnt expect Britain to accept a criminal who wasnt even British just because their country of origion doesnt want them

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If Germany or some other country decide to do so, so can we. The country of their ancestry (parent/grandparents) would be where they would have been born grown up if their parents hadn't emigrated. If that's where their alliance lies there's no problem. I'm sure Muslim countries such as Iraq, Iran etc would welcome a Muslim terrorist with open arms.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If Germany or some other country decide to do so, so can we. The country of their ancestry (parent/grandparents) would be where they would have been born grown up if their parents hadn't emigrated. If that's where their alliance lies there's no problem. I'm sure Muslim countries such as Iraq, Iran etc would welcome a Muslim terrorist with open arms.

That last sentence shows just how little you understand about these countries.

Iraq, Iran and the Syrian government are all fighting against IS terrorism so why would they allow a none national IS supporter/terrorist into their country?

Niamh is right. The UK wouldn't accept a none national criminal into this country.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That last sentence shows just how little you understand about these countries.

Iraq, Iran and the Syrian government are all fighting against IS terrorism so why would they allow a none national IS supporter/terrorist into their country?

Niamh is right. The UK wouldn't accept a none national criminal into this country.

Oh come on there would be plenty of Muslim counties that would accept Muslim terrorists. Just as long as we can get rid of them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh come on there would be plenty of Muslim counties that would accept Muslim terrorists. Just as long as we can get rid of them.

I give up

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I give up

I just find the whole thing frustrating. Laws can be changed when abused and I see no reason why citizenship can't be removed in severe cases such as terrorism.