[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Karim Cheurfi was French. He crossed no borders and he’s been a cop hater since at least 2003, before IS was formed and long before all these lone wolf attacks started happening in Europe.

The one thing that won’t stop this sort of terrorism, if it was indeed terrorism is closing the borders. Middle Eastern, Arabs and Africans don’t have the privilege of open borders because the borders are only open to EU nationals. I get the impression that a lot of people believe ‘open borders’ means any alien can just walk on through and that’s simply not true.

We can shout and get emotional and stamp our feet and blame the Left all we want but none of this will change reality; that radicalized lone wolf attacks will continue… even if we were to fully stop Muslim immigration.

As long as we hold hands with the U.S, in this ‘war on terror’, we will see terror on our own shores. These are unwinnable wars and if we don’t do something radically different we will continue to be the victims of circumstance and radicalized Islamist fascists will walk among us.

This man was on the French radar but the French authorities did nothing… why? How many more people are on their radar that they are doing nothing about? We can’t move on without critical reflection or every future attack just becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Critical reflection of the West I presume you mean, somehow it's our fault not theirs. The more we allow into the West the more terrorism their will be and that is on their heads not ours. We are making it too easy for them and we have to stop doing that. Too many are eaten up with hate - it seems to be a way of life for some.

Are the French, Swedes, Germans holding hands with the USA - attacks there have increased - mainly due to their willingness to take so many refugees. Look at the thanks they get for that.

How do you suggest we do things differently - appease them, bow down to them, don't make them angry. These people thrive on fear - it's how they get their rocks off.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Critical reflection of the West I presume you mean, somehow it's our fault not theirs.

If you are being attacked you have to ask why they are attacking you and inevitably you have to take some responsibility for the events because almost without exception, you are being attacked because the person who is attacking you sees you as their enemy.

Critical reflection of everything involved with terrorism as well as why that terrorism is happening.

The more we allow into the West the more terrorism their will be and that is on their heads not ours. We are making it too easy for them and we have to stop doing that. Too many are eaten up with hate - it seems to be a way of life for some.

It doesn't take foreigners to recruit, raise funds and train others. Many of the more robust extremists are Muslim converts who were born here. You say too many are eaten up with hate. I say a select few have been radialized to become fascist Islamists but I also say that those select few are a huge risk to us and that we need better solutions to seek out and apprehend them before they go on to commit their atrocities.

Are the French, Swedes, Germans holding hands with the USA - attacks there have increased - mainly due to their willingness to take so many refugees. Look at the thanks they get for that.

Yes, each one of those countries have been holding hands with the USA.

How do you suggest we do things differently - appease them, bow down to them, don't make them angry. These people thrive on fear - it's how they get their rocks off.

Why do you say such ridiculous things such as "bow down to them". I haven't suggested for a moment that we should appease them or bow down to them but I do believe we need different strategies because what we have done thus far just seems to fire these people up to commit more atrocities. We are dealing with people who are blinded by a cause. The word jihad has been hijacked and perverted to mean violent struggle wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, and turned into terrorism by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, IS and others and whatever we do, these people are one step ahead of us.

Closing borders will make no difference because they are already here.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If you are being attacked you have to ask why they are attacking you and inevitably you have to take some responsibility for the events because almost without exception, you are being attacked because the person who is attacking you sees you as their enemy.

Critical reflection of everything involved with terrorism as well as why that terrorism is happening.


It doesn't take foreigners to recruit, raise funds and train others. Many of the more robust extremists are Muslim converts who were born here. You say too many are eaten up with hate. I say a select few have been radialized to become fascist Islamists but I also say that those select few are a huge risk to us and that we need better solutions to seek out and apprehend them before they go on to commit their atrocities.
Yes, each one of those countries have been holding hands with the USA.


Why do you say such ridiculous things such as "bow down to them". I haven't suggested for a moment that we should appease them or bow down to them but I do believe we need different strategies because what we have done thus far just seems to fire these people up to commit more atrocities. We are dealing with people who are blinded by a cause. The word jihad has been hijacked and perverted to mean violent struggle wherever Muslims are undergoing difficulties, and turned into terrorism by fascistic Islamists like al-Qaeda, IS and others and whatever we do, these people are one step ahead of us.

Closing borders will make no difference because they are already here.

They are already here, that doesn't mean they can't be be deported if there are significant reasons to believe they are involved with/supporting terrorism. To avoid inreasing their numbers and strength such immigration should stop.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They are already here, that doesn't mean they can't be be deported if there are significant reasons to believe they are involved with/supporting terrorism.

I agree, they should be deported unless of course they are British. If they are British we can't deport them but we need to do more than just keep them on our radar because "on our radar" doesn't work

To avoid inreasing their numbers and strength such immigration should stop.

We also need to remind ourselves not to get paranoid about Muslims because 99.9% of them are just average law abiding people like ourselves.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree, they should be deported unless of course they are British. If they are British we can't deport them but we need to do more than just keep them on our radar because "on our radar" doesn't work



We also need to remind ourselves not to get paranoid about Muslims because 99.9% of them are just average law abiding people like ourselves.

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

Many of them are British who convert to Islam. Where do you deport a British person to?

As for Germany, its a suggestion, a thought; a perhaps something to think about for the future. As yet its not happening and its doubtful it ever will so its irrelevant.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Many of them are British who convert to Islam. Where do you deport a British person to?

As for Germany, its a suggestion, a thought; a perhaps something to think about for the future. As yet its not happening and its doubtful it ever will so its irrelevant.

Where their parents were from obviously. They are terrorists why would anyone be concerned about their feelings on the subject. They are grown ups. Judging by their actions a Muslim country is where their loyalties lie so let them get on with it, just not on our soil.

Sorry but I don't think it's irrelevant because you don't believe it will ever happen.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why can't they be deported if they are British Muslim terrorists? Germany is planning to deport suspected Home grown terrorists - being born here doesn't/shouldn't make them undeportable. They have forfeited their right to a British passport when they commit terrorism. We would be well rid of them.

Deport them to where? If they were born and raised in Britain?

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