[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would much rather a female doctor, you don't get a choice in hospitals but I have a female GP by choice

Men don't get a choice but women do. A man can't refuse a female nurse but a female can refuse a male nurse. Its the same when a nurse or doctor is attending a female patient. If its a male student nurse they have to ask the patient if they mind but if its a female student nurse they don't. Its double standards.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Men don't get a choice but women do. A man can't refuse a female nurse but a female can refuse a male nurse. Its the same when a nurse or doctor is attending a female patient. If its a male student nurse they have to ask the patient if they mind but if its a female student nurse they don't. Its double standards.

The cases of female medical staff sexually assaulting and/or raping male patients is so low as to be hardly there are all. And I'm sure that if it meant a lot to the man not to have a woman medic present, they would turn themselves inside out in an effort to oblige. So, hardly double standards.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I have to echo Livia there DR

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Men don't get a choice but women do. A man can't refuse a female nurse but a female can refuse a male nurse. Its the same when a nurse or doctor is attending a female patient. If its a male student nurse they have to ask the patient if they mind but if its a female student nurse they don't. Its double standards.

Originally Posted by Livia

The cases of female medical staff sexually assaulting and/or raping male patients is so low as to be hardly there are all. And I'm sure that if it meant a lot to the man not to have a woman medic present, they would turn themselves inside out in an effort to oblige. So, hardly double standards.

Can men request a female doctor/nurse do you know? If say he's been sexually assaulted by a man in the past and is having an intimate exam and would feel more comfortable with a woman carrying it out?

As a side note I'm surprised that the fear of sexual assault is a reason behind these preferences. I understand it I just find it quite sad that we don't even trust doctors and trained medical staff that are there to help us, not hurt us.

[AnnieK]

To be honest....I went through years of having to have smear tests every 3 months at the hospital due to abnormal cells and was seen by both men and women. I actually preferred being seen by a man, they were far gentler. I understand why a lot of people would prefer a woman though

[bots]

i don't think men and womens medical needs can be compared in this context. As a man, my prime concern is with the doctors competence above anything else. I would think it would be something like 1% of all potential medical issues that I could have, that I would be more comfortable if I was treated by a man. For a woman that % could easily be more than 50%

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Can men request a female doctor/nurse do you know? If say he's been sexually assaulted by a man in the past and is having an intimate exam and would feel more comfortable with a woman carrying it out?

As a side note I'm surprised that the fear of sexual assault is a reason behind these preferences. I understand it I just find it quite sad that we don't even trust doctors and trained medical staff that are there to help us, not hurt us.

It's isn't just fear of assault. I want a female who gets me because she's been there herself. Sadly, medics are just human beings. Although the majority will be great, there will be a few who are not. If I requested a female medic on religious grounds the request would be met immediately. I don't understand why that's acceptable and simply choosing a female - and I mean a born female - to examine you.

And as for your original question, I have always found the NHS, despite their shortage of funds and overwork, will always go the extra mile to make someone comfortable if they are able. If a man would prefer a woman medic, and one is available, I'm sure they would make it so.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

The cases of female medical staff sexually assaulting and/or raping male patients is so low as to be hardly there are all. And I'm sure that if it meant a lot to the man not to have a woman medic present, they would turn themselves inside out in an effort to oblige. So, hardly double standards.

It was double standards for a lot of years. Males have only been able to train in a civi nursing profession since 1951 and even now only make up just over 11% of all nursing staff. Its not that far back when women were discouraged from becoming doctors. Men were seen as the real professionals and women were seen as the Florence Nightingale's.

Male nurses really don't mind when a woman asks specifically for a female. It rarely happens though. Black nurses, male and female have more problems attending elderly females that white male nurses.

When it comes to specialized treatment, many patients still prefer male doctors.
My gynecologist is one of the top gynecologists in the country. His female nurse however is a grumpy brisk cow who I feel very uncomfortable having around whilst I'm being examined.

My third midwife was a male and he was the kindest most caring midwife I've had for all of my children.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Can men request a female doctor/nurse do you know? If say he's been sexually assaulted by a man in the past and is having an intimate exam and would feel more comfortable with a woman carrying it out?

As a side note I'm surprised that the fear of sexual assault is a reason behind these preferences. I understand it I just find it quite sad that we don't even trust doctors and trained medical staff that are there to help us, not hurt us.

A man can't just request a female nurse or doctor but if there are issues then that obviously has to be considered. Any patient has a right to have a chaperone (normally a health assistant or nurse)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Men don't get a choice but women do. A man can't refuse a female nurse but a female can refuse a male nurse. Its the same when a nurse or doctor is attending a female patient. If its a male student nurse they have to ask the patient if they mind but if its a female student nurse they don't. Its double standards.

Don't know if it's the same in England but in Scotland, they do always have to ask if it's OK for a student to sit on on any appointment / procedure. My youngests sleep specialist nurse even had to ask if her student could come in and all they do there is sit and chat about how things are progressing .

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's isn't just fear of assault. I want a female who gets me because she's been there herself. Sadly, medics are just human beings. Although the majority will be great, there will be a few who are not. If I requested a female medic on religious grounds the request would be met immediately. I don't understand why that's acceptable and simply choosing a female - and I mean a born female - to examine you.

And as for your original question, I have always found the NHS, despite their shortage of funds and overwork, will always go the extra mile to make someone comfortable if they are able. If a man would prefer a woman medic, and one is available, I'm sure they would make it so.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

A man can't just request a female nurse or doctor but if there are issues then that obviously has to be considered. Any patient has a right to have a chaperone (normally a health assistant or nurse)

Ok thanks both. It's not something I've ever really thought about before but thinking about it now, I can't imagine feeling a preference of the gender of my doctor, say if it was a prostate exam or something where a male doctor might understand better what it's like to go through one. So I get where you're coming from Livia I just struggle to really understand it I suppose since I don't feel it myself. Maybe bots is right and it's more a male/female thing. Makes me wonder if a part of it is actually due to women being more likely to be shamed over their bodies, feeling judged by men, general objectification of women in society compared to men, and all of that having an impact.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Ok thanks both. It's not something I've ever really thought about before but thinking about it now, I can't imagine feeling a preference of the gender of my doctor, say if it was a prostate exam or something where a male doctor might understand better what it's like to go through one. So I get where you're coming from Livia I just struggle to really understand it I suppose since I don't feel it myself. Maybe bots is right and it's more a male/female thing. Makes me wonder if a part of it is actually due to women being more likely to be shamed over their bodies, feeling judged by men, general objectification of women in society compared to men, and all of that having an impact.

Quite possibly Jamie, also as BOTS said women tend to have to spend time with Doctors for womens stuff a big percentage of the time they spend at the Doctors in general. My GP is female and I find when I'm trying to explain things to her she knows exactly what I'm talking about first hand where as it's different if I have a hospital appointment and have a male Doctor it's more of an awkward conversation for me

[user104658]

And here's me shouting "catch!" as I throw the receptionist my still-warm pot of jizz ...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Don't know if it's the same in England but in Scotland, they do always have to ask if it's OK for a student to sit on on any appointment / procedure. My youngests sleep specialist nurse even had to ask if her student could come in and all they do there is sit and chat about how things are progressing .

GP surgeries and clinic appointments/home appointments are different to A&E and ward care.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And here's me shouting "catch!" as I throw the receptionist my still-warm pot of jizz ...

Scott dressed as a nurse stealing it

[Northern Monkey]

I can see why women would want a female nurse for invasive procedures.
When i got my balls checked i had a male doc do it.On a different occasion i had a female doc slip her finger up my butthole.I’m not sure which i was more uncomfortable with tbh.
Just glad my male doc didn’t have to do the asshole checking,Mother****ers got big fingers

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

As I said your interpretation.

My opinions are driven by the very real fear of the very real real risks that self-certification will pose to young vulnerable girls/women in currently protected female only areas not to mention the trampelling over of all womens’ rights to feel private, safe and unmolested is these female only areas.

Hey, you are not female so what do you care. It doesn’t affect you but nevertheless you think you have the right to support the dumping of such ludicrous proposals on those who it will actually affect. Your opinion on this has little value in comparison to those who it will actually affect.

They are driven by irrationality and ignorance. You've taken what would be a rare and almost unheard of hypothetical scenario and you are treating it like it would be the norm and whether you intend to or not, you are demonising transgendered people by putting them all in the same light as sexual predators.

A man isn't going to be able to say 'I'm a woman now' and stroll into the women's changing room just like that even if self certification becomes a thing. Women won't be made to have intimate examinations done by someone they aren't comfortable with doing it. You've taken what is a story that was confirmed on all sides to be a clerical error, ignored all logic and reasoning that said it was so in order to fuel your own agenda of hating anything that isn't exactly like you.

You should pay attention, I've said to you a few times in this topic that I disagree with self certification, the current process we have isn't perfect and there are many transgendered people who are unhappy with the choices they've made and I think taking the professionals out of the equation to help guide people to the correct solution for themselves is a mistake. I actually agree with Theresa May in saying that transgendered people shouldn't be treated like they are ill but it should be mandatory that experts in the field oversee the process to make sure it's the right thing for the person in question.

As for your 'it doesn't affect you' line. Does sexual assault only happen to women in women's changing rooms? Men can be just as dangerous to other men, just like women can assault other women. Do you treat other women with such suspicion, sure, sexual assault by a woman on another woman in a changing room is probably rare but probably not as rare as an attack by a 'transgendered' person that's only pretending to be transgendered in order to rape people. Where's your concern for the safety of women from other women? Do you understand what I'm getting at here? You are using an almost unheard type of incident to fuel your agenda and it's just foolishness. There are many real issues that plague women regarding their safety that are way more common than the hypotheticals you are spouting but I doubt you'll ever talk about them since you only seem concerned about feminism when it's in regards to 'justifying' your hatred of whatever people you hate on any given day.

I think in all the years I've known you, in both names you've had on this website. I'm not sure I've ever seen you comment on a feminist issue that hasn't involved trying to justify your prejudices in some way. You pretend to be a feminist but you just want to vindicate your hatred.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Just glad my male doc didn’t have to do the asshole checking,Mother****ers got big fingers

More likely to get good contact with the prostate then NM, don't knock it until you've tried it. Those sausage fingers might have redefined your sex life.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

More likely to get good contact with the prostate then NM, don't knock it until you've tried it. Those sausage fingers might have redefined your sex life.

Yeah she didn’t have to go that far up.Enough to make me wince though.It was a weight lifting incident.
Not down with the sausage fingers penetration,Not even for fun

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah she didn’t have to go that far up.Enough to make me wince though.It was a weight lifting incident.
Not down with the sausage fingers penetration,Not even for fun

If you are lifting weights with your ass, you are doing it wrong

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If you are lifting weights with your ass, you are doing it wrong

Lol no.I split my sphincter squatting too heavy.

So glad you all know the intimate details of my cornhole now.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Ok thanks both. It's not something I've ever really thought about before but thinking about it now, I can't imagine feeling a preference of the gender of my doctor, say if it was a prostate exam or something where a male doctor might understand better what it's like to go through one. So I get where you're coming from Livia I just struggle to really understand it I suppose since I don't feel it myself. Maybe bots is right and it's more a male/female thing. Makes me wonder if a part of it is actually due to women being more likely to be shamed over their bodies, feeling judged by men, general objectification of women in society compared to men, and all of that having an impact.

It's just simply about what helps us to be the most comfortable. Doctor's visits are not trip to the park. It's talking about personal issues and not everyone wants to talk about those things on a frequent basis.

This is all anecdotal/hearsay, but it seems like women are much more in-tune with their self-care than men. Sometimes I think we obsess too much about our own bodies, but in the very least, we think far more about it and that discussion tends to make men kinda crazy or lack words to respond... (some of my male doctors are like this)

When I did caretaking, you could see the differences in how men and women deal with healthcare. Men, I don't think they want a woman who over-analyzes all their inner workings, so I notice some prefer men (though they seem to be more OK with either). My husband doesn't want to deal with it. Men hate being babied and my husband dislikes it when I 'worry' over him (and then gets mad when I'm right later on). Women are usually the nurturing ones, so it's a bit weird when we're on the other side needing the actual nurturing. It can make some ppl feel a bit vulnerable, especially those who are so used to caring for other. So it's difficult to describe what is going on, and often there is a strong emotional component to it that needs unpacking.

For example, when I took my grandmother in to have something treated, we had a male doctor and she had trouble speaking up "Does this hurt?" "Yep". I put her in front of a woman, and after we got through a few questions, she delivered like a book. Basically, it comes down to trust. Men would rather just get through the visit with as few prompts as possible and say only what is necessary. Unless it's talking about how they ripped a whatever working out or picking up furniture, they tend to be more a-emotional when it comes to health.

Women also tend to not only want to, but need to talk out their problems on a more emotional level, especially in the cases where there are diseases that effect women in larger numbers and have higher emotional components. When it comes to things like hygiene or self-care for our own specific "issues", we prefer a female because they usually speak the same language and just "get it" with fewer fuss (and empty stares). It just goes much smoother.

If you tell a man about all the cramps and different foods that make us look bloated, men are just going to flop over in their seats and roll their eyes That's just almost always seems to be the case. Men don't fixate on their health and some male doctors don't understand why we make such a big deal out of it.

When I was put in a study, they gave me a half-inch thick "manual" of sorts on how to cope with the disease. It's not a simple take medication and it'll be fine. It requires an elimination diet and treating your issue(s) like food allergies and also analyzing how you handle stress in your life (which was really difficult given the symptoms). I literally had a lady I spoke to over the phone regularly who kept up with my treatment (and did hand holding) and I don't think I could've gotten through that without my sisterhood. I also subscribed to a forum that is pretty much 99% women and the comradery I found there is just simply amazing.

There are diseases that effect women in much larger numbers (like 90%) and their symptoms do connect or at least become exacerbated by high stress factors. This is anecdotal, but it just seems like women's bodies just tend to be more sensitive to various factors, such as diet/emotional/hormonal. For example, I've known more women to have severely bad reactions to hormonal shifts than men. I can't take birth control for example. My husband is actually out of range on some of his, but he's asymptomatic, so he doesn't need medication.

Anyway, I have switched to male uro (he's a freaking badass) and a male gyno now, so it's not like male doctors can't be good too. But, I've long learned to cope and know my regime, so I'm just in need of "maintenance" every now and then. I don't really need anyone to hold my hand anymore.

TLDR: To sum it all, it's about trust and making the visit the least stressful/embarrassing/traumatic () as possible. Women tick differently than men, so we have different things that come into consideration compared to men.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

More likely to get good contact with the prostate then NM, don't knock it until you've tried it. Those sausage fingers might have redefined your sex life.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Maru

It's just simply about what helps us to be the most comfortable. Doctor's visits are not trip to the park. It's talking about personal issues and not everyone wants to talk about those things on a frequent basis.

This is all anecdotal/hearsay, but it seems like women are much more in-tune with their self-care than men. Sometimes I think we obsess too much about our own bodies, but in the very least, we think far more about it and that discussion tends to make men kinda crazy or lack words to respond... (some of my male doctors are like this)

When I did caretaking, you could see the differences in how men and women deal with healthcare. Men, I don't think they want a woman who over-analyzes all their inner workings, so I notice some prefer men (though they seem to be more OK with either). My husband doesn't want to deal with it. Men hate being babied and my husband dislikes it when I 'worry' over him (and then gets mad when I'm right later on). Women are usually the nurturing ones, so it's a bit weird when we're on the other side needing the actual nurturing. It can make some ppl feel a bit vulnerable, especially those who are so used to caring for other. So it's difficult to describe what is going on, and often there is a strong emotional component to it that needs unpacking.

For example, when I took my grandmother in to have something treated, we had a male doctor and she had trouble speaking up "Does this hurt?" "Yep". I put her in front of a woman, and after we got through a few questions, she delivered like a book. Basically, it comes down to trust. Men would rather just get through the visit with as few prompts as possible and say only what is necessary. Unless it's talking about how they ripped a whatever working out or picking up furniture, they tend to be more a-emotional when it comes to health.

Women also tend to not only want to, but need to talk out their problems on a more emotional level, especially in the cases where there are diseases that effect women in larger numbers and have higher emotional components. When it comes to things like hygiene or self-care for our own specific "issues", we prefer a female because they usually speak the same language and just "get it" with fewer fuss (and empty stares). It just goes much smoother.

If you tell a man about all the cramps and different foods that make us look bloated, men are just going to flop over in their seats and roll their eyes That's just almost always seems to be the case. Men don't fixate on their health and some male doctors don't understand why we make such a big deal out of it.

When I was put in a study, they gave me a half-inch thick "manual" of sorts on how to cope with the disease. It's not a simple take medication and it'll be fine. It requires an elimination diet and treating your issue(s) like food allergies and also analyzing how you handle stress in your life (which was really difficult given the symptoms). I literally had a lady I spoke to over the phone regularly who kept up with my treatment (and did hand holding) and I don't think I could've gotten through that without my sisterhood. I also subscribed to a forum that is pretty much 99% women and the comradery I found there is just simply amazing.

There are diseases that effect women in much larger numbers (like 90%) and their symptoms do connect or at least become exacerbated by high stress factors. This is anecdotal, but it just seems like women's bodies just tend to be more sensitive to various factors, such as diet/emotional/hormonal. For example, I've known more women to have severely bad reactions to hormonal shifts than men. I can't take birth control for example. My husband is actually out of range on some of his, but he's asymptomatic, so he doesn't need medication.

Anyway, I have switched to male uro (he's a freaking badass) and a male gyno now, so it's not like male doctors can't be good too. But, I've long learned to cope and know my regime, so I'm just in need of "maintenance" every now and then. I don't really need anyone to hold my hand anymore.

TLDR: To sum it all, it's about trust and making the visit the least stressful/embarrassing/traumatic () as possible. Women tick differently than men, so we have different things that come into consideration compared to men.

Thanks Maru that's all very interesting to think about.

It's interesting you mentioned your grandma's experience. My Grandma is currently experiencing some problems with mental health issues and without going into too much detail on a public forum lol (and it's all pretty complicated), but basically she recently refused help from her GP (who is a man) or to discuss what's been happening recently with him. It wouldn't have even crossed my mind that his gender might have been a factor in her shutting herself off from medical help. And it might not be that, she has quite a complicated history, but it's interesting to consider that she might be more willing to get help or communicate with a female doctor. It's something to think about anyway.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's isn't just fear of assault. I want a female who gets me because she's been there herself. Sadly, medics are just human beings. Although the majority will be great, there will be a few who are not. If I requested a female medic on religious grounds the request would be met immediately. I don't understand why that's acceptable and simply choosing a female - and I mean a born female - to examine you.

And as for your original question, I have always found the NHS, despite their shortage of funds and overwork, will always go the extra mile to make someone comfortable if they are able. If a man would prefer a woman medic, and one is available, I'm sure they would make it so.

Been where?..We are not all uniform with replica experiences even of the most base of functions therefore I don't understand your logic here.
To treat a patient do you need such an intense connection, if you were being treated for an ailment would you insist the doctor had experienced it prior to consultation?