[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

again

you are trying to move the debate away from Corbyn's hatred of the jews by linking to articles about antisemitism

make another thread about that, stick to the subject here

Here then..

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a7330891.html

[Kizzy]

A representative YouGov poll carried out in May 2016 found that Labour voters were no more likely than voters from other parties to express antisemitic attitudes, with UKIP voters demonstrating the highest levels of antisemitism.179 As outlined earlier in this report, a survey of British Jewish people found that almost half of respondents felt that the Green Party is too tolerant of antisemitism (compared with 87% in relation to the Labour Party), 43% think the same of UKIP, 40% of the SNP, and over a third in relation to the Liberal Democrats.180

122.Other political parties have not been immune to accusations of antisemitism, albeit apparently with a smaller number of reported incidents, and with a lower profile. In April 2015, a Conservative candidate for Derby Council was expelled from her Party after she said she would never support “the Jew” Ed Miliband.181 In August 2014, the University College London (UCL) Union investigated the university’s Conservative Society after it was accused of creating a “toxic environment”, with one member reported to have said “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”. Media reports suggest that the incident was never investigated by the Conservative Party,182 but it is unclear whether it was ever referred to the Party, and questions have subsequently been raised about the veracity of the complaint.

123.A former Conservative Councillor who defected to the Liberal Democrats after losing his seat, Matthew Gordon Banks, was suspended from his new Party in September after writing on Twitter that “[Tim] Farron’s leadership campaign was organised and funded by London Jews”, adding in a second tweet: “I tried to work with them. Very difficult.”183 The former Liberal Democrat MP David Ward has been accused of antisemitism on several occasions. He was suspended from his Party after accusing “the Jews” of committing atrocities in Palestine,184 and later sent the following tweet: “The big question is–if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket?–probably yes”.185 Baroness Tonge, who now sits in the House of Lords as an independent Liberal Democrat, resigned the Party whip in 2012 after refusing to apologise for saying that “Israel is not going to be there forever”, and has recently attracted fresh criticism for sharing an article that suggested that “Jewish power” was targeting the Labour Party.186 At this year’s autumn conference, the Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine group was asked to remove Facebook posts that quoted the statement: “The Jews as victim. Always the Jews, only the Jews.” SNP MSP Sandra White apologised “unreservedly” in November 2015 after tweeting an antisemitic image of six piglets (representing the UK and others) suckling at a sow with the word “Rothschild” and the Star of David on it.187 Incidents involving other forms of racism, including Islamophobia, have also affected a number of mainstream parties.

124.Soon after this inquiry was announced, we invited the then Prime Minister, David Cameron, to give oral evidence as Leader of the Conservative Party. On the date in June when he was scheduled to attend, the events leading up to his resignation had been set in motion, and he wrote to the then Committee Chair apologising and stating that he was unable to attend. Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP, the newly-appointed Chairman of the Conservative Party, provided a detailed written submission in early August, and indicated that he would have been happy to give further oral evidence to us.188 We later invited the new Prime Minister on several occasions to give evidence to us in October, but received no formal response until the morning of the scheduled evidence session, when Sir Eric Pickles MP, the UK Special Envoy for Post-Holocaust Issues and former Party Chairman, was nominated to attend as a representative of the Conservative Party.

125.It is very disappointing that the Conservative Party procrastinated for so long, and that both the Leader and Chairman of the Party declined to give evidence on this vital issue, but we are very grateful to Sir Eric for stepping in at the last minute, and value his extensive experience in these matters. He told us that the Conservative Party had had problems (with racism) in the late 1960s, but had learned lessons from this and recognised that it “must have a no tolerance policy with regard to any form of racism”.189 When challenged about the incident at UCL, of which he was unaware, he apologised and said that, on the face of it, the Party should have investigated it; although, as previously mentioned, there is some dispute over the veracity of the complaint itself. Sir Eric denied that he had intended to suggest in his evidence that the Conservative Party was alone in having no ongoing problems with antisemitism among its members, stating that antisemitism is “one of the oldest, most nasty, most evil of all the sins”; that it “comes back”; and that “to suggest for a millisecond that I believe that the Conservative party is free of antisemitism would be a complete bastardisation of what I have just said”

As I said smoke and mirrors, one finger points and there a 3 pointing straight back at as seen here 3 other parties.


http://www.publications.parliament.u...e-006-backlink

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz59TY7KG3y

I think the smoothing the way for Corbyn regardless of all the worrying signals to be disturbing. Is it Labour at any cost these days?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A representative YouGov poll carried out in May 2016 found that Labour voters were no more likely than voters from other parties to express antisemitic attitudes, with UKIP voters demonstrating the highest levels of antisemitism.179 As outlined earlier in this report, a survey of British Jewish people found that almost half of respondents felt that the Green Party is too tolerant of antisemitism (compared with 87% in relation to the Labour Party), 43% think the same of UKIP, 40% of the SNP, and over a third in relation to the Liberal Democrats.180

122.Other political parties have not been immune to accusations of antisemitism, albeit apparently with a smaller number of reported incidents, and with a lower profile. In April 2015, a Conservative candidate for Derby Council was expelled from her Party after she said she would never support “the Jew” Ed Miliband.181 In August 2014, the University College London (UCL) Union investigated the university’s Conservative Society after it was accused of creating a “toxic environment”, with one member reported to have said “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”. Media reports suggest that the incident was never investigated by the Conservative Party,182 but it is unclear whether it was ever referred to the Party, and questions have subsequently been raised about the veracity of the complaint.

123.A former Conservative Councillor who defected to the Liberal Democrats after losing his seat, Matthew Gordon Banks, was suspended from his new Party in September after writing on Twitter that “[Tim] Farron’s leadership campaign was organised and funded by London Jews”, adding in a second tweet: “I tried to work with them. Very difficult.”183 The former Liberal Democrat MP David Ward has been accused of antisemitism on several occasions. He was suspended from his Party after accusing “the Jews” of committing atrocities in Palestine,184 and later sent the following tweet: “The big question is–if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket?–probably yes”.185 Baroness Tonge, who now sits in the House of Lords as an independent Liberal Democrat, resigned the Party whip in 2012 after refusing to apologise for saying that “Israel is not going to be there forever”, and has recently attracted fresh criticism for sharing an article that suggested that “Jewish power” was targeting the Labour Party.186 At this year’s autumn conference, the Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine group was asked to remove Facebook posts that quoted the statement: “The Jews as victim. Always the Jews, only the Jews.” SNP MSP Sandra White apologised “unreservedly” in November 2015 after tweeting an antisemitic image of six piglets (representing the UK and others) suckling at a sow with the word “Rothschild” and the Star of David on it.187 Incidents involving other forms of racism, including Islamophobia, have also affected a number of mainstream parties.

124.Soon after this inquiry was announced, we invited the then Prime Minister, David Cameron, to give oral evidence as Leader of the Conservative Party. On the date in June when he was scheduled to attend, the events leading up to his resignation had been set in motion, and he wrote to the then Committee Chair apologising and stating that he was unable to attend. Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP, the newly-appointed Chairman of the Conservative Party, provided a detailed written submission in early August, and indicated that he would have been happy to give further oral evidence to us.188 We later invited the new Prime Minister on several occasions to give evidence to us in October, but received no formal response until the morning of the scheduled evidence session, when Sir Eric Pickles MP, the UK Special Envoy for Post-Holocaust Issues and former Party Chairman, was nominated to attend as a representative of the Conservative Party.

125.It is very disappointing that the Conservative Party procrastinated for so long, and that both the Leader and Chairman of the Party declined to give evidence on this vital issue, but we are very grateful to Sir Eric for stepping in at the last minute, and value his extensive experience in these matters. He told us that the Conservative Party had had problems (with racism) in the late 1960s, but had learned lessons from this and recognised that it “must have a no tolerance policy with regard to any form of racism”.189 When challenged about the incident at UCL, of which he was unaware, he apologised and said that, on the face of it, the Party should have investigated it; although, as previously mentioned, there is some dispute over the veracity of the complaint itself. Sir Eric denied that he had intended to suggest in his evidence that the Conservative Party was alone in having no ongoing problems with antisemitism among its members, stating that antisemitism is “one of the oldest, most nasty, most evil of all the sins”; that it “comes back”; and that “to suggest for a millisecond that I believe that the Conservative party is free of antisemitism would be a complete bastardisation of what I have just said”

As I said smoke and mirrors, one finger points and there a 3 pointing straight back at as seen here 3 other parties.


http://www.publications.parliament.u...e-006-backlink

again you are just saying "yeah but never mind Corbyn look at this"


NO this is about Corbyn. Stop deflecting

[Kizzy]

'The *report, by an influential parliamentary committee, stated that “the majority of antisemitic abuse and crime” comes from the far right. And that there is “no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party”.

After very briefly mentioning the report, the segment appeared to entirely ignore it. Out of the six people featured during the sequence, Sky News chose five that claimed Labour has a problem with antisemitism. Of those five, three explicitly linked antisemitism to Corbyn. Sky News spotlighted those comments unchallenged, despite the report and the Labour leader’s long history of anti-racism campaigning.'

For example, one interviewee said:

I think they are frankly more concerned about Jeremy Corbyn than they are about Ken Livingstone.

* https://www.publications.parliament....ff/136/136.pdf

http://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/09/a...fantasy-video/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here then..

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a7330891.html

So some anecdotal "evidence" from a card carrying labour corbyn supporter?

really?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

again you are just saying "yeah but never mind Corbyn look at this"


NO this is about Corbyn. Stop deflecting

okish

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So some anecdotal "evidence" from a card carrying labour corbyn supporter?

really?

The accusations against him come from one ... so what's the issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The accusations against him come from one ... so what's the issue?

the accusations are from a multitude of sources and come in many shapes and sizes

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the accusations are from a multitude of sources and come in many shapes and sizes

A 'Multitude' is the apt word L.T.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So some anecdotal "evidence" from a card carrying labour corbyn supporter?

really?

So you want to ignore everything Kizzy has just cited because it belittles the agenda put forth in this discussion?

What Kizzy has just posted is absolutely crucial to a debate like this. Attempting to shut her down is ridiculous.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the accusations are from a multitude of sources and come in many shapes and sizes

A multitude of Right wing card carrying Corbyn assassins.

[Northern Monkey]

Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Labour MPs for criticising removal of anti-Semitic mural
Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised by his own MPs over his apparent support for an anti-Semitic mural on a street in east London.

The mural, made by street artist Mear One, depicted a group of Jewish financiers and white businessmen playing a Monopoly-style game on a board balanced on the backs of people.


Included in the portrait, which was removed by Tower Hamlets Council after a number of complaints were made, also included an activist holding a banner which read: "The new world order is the enemy of humanity".

Mr Corbyn left a comment on a Facebook post by Mear One, real name Kalen Ockerman, in 2012 after the artist revealed his work was set to be whitewashed.
The Labour MP wrote: "Why? You are in good company.

"Rockerfeller (sic) destroyed Diego Viera's mural because it includes a picture of Lenin."

Mr Corbyn's response to the post was highlighted by Labour MP Luciana Berger, who said she had asked the party leader's office for an explanation on Friday.
In a statement, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech.

"However, the mural was offensive, used anti-Semitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed."

But hours later, Mr Corbyn released another statement, which read: "In 2012 I made a general comment about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech. My comment referred to the destruction of the mural Man at the Crossroads by Diego Rivera on the Rockefeller Center.

"That is in no way comparable with the mural in the original post. I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...mural-11301595

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Labour MPs for criticising removal of anti-Semitic mural
Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised by his own MPs over his apparent support for an anti-Semitic mural on a street in east London.

The mural, made by street artist Mear One, depicted a group of Jewish financiers and white businessmen playing a Monopoly-style game on a board balanced on the backs of people.


Included in the portrait, which was removed by Tower Hamlets Council after a number of complaints were made, also included an activist holding a banner which read: "The new world order is the enemy of humanity".

Mr Corbyn left a comment on a Facebook post by Mear One, real name Kalen Ockerman, in 2012 after the artist revealed his work was set to be whitewashed.
The Labour MP wrote: "Why? You are in good company.

"Rockerfeller (sic) destroyed Diego Viera's mural because it includes a picture of Lenin."

Mr Corbyn's response to the post was highlighted by Labour MP Luciana Berger, who said she had asked the party leader's office for an explanation on Friday.
In a statement, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech.

"However, the mural was offensive, used anti-Semitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed."

But hours later, Mr Corbyn released another statement, which read: "In 2012 I made a general comment about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech. My comment referred to the destruction of the mural Man at the Crossroads by Diego Rivera on the Rockefeller Center.

"That is in no way comparable with the mural in the original post. I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...mural-11301595

But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

A multitude of Right wing card carrying Corbyn assassins.

even if so, makes you wonder what type of man would have so many detractors

not one who would make a good pm, for sure

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."

These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

even if so, makes you wonder what type of man would have so many detractors

not one who would make a good pm, for sure

A GREAT percentage of the Labour Party DETEST Corbyn and all he stands for but are too FEARFUL to come out of the shadow to voice their opposition to him, so not ALL 'assassins' of Corbyn are 'Card-Carrying Right Wing'.

The anonymous ones are all too probably Labour Party Members who are just waiting for Corbyn's bully boy protectors to lose 'MOMENTUM' (see what I did there?: hehe before 'standing up to be counted'..

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.

I strongly disagree. Those depictions of a Muslim prophet offended perfectly innocent Muslim people and not just war mongering Jihadists. Its no different than satanizing Jesus and expecting devout Christians not to be offended.

I happen to agree with that graffiti picture being removed as I can see clearly why it could be offensive but you can't have one rule for one faith and another for a different faith. Well you can but its hypocritical.

Corbyn doesn't support anti-semitism. No doubt he's anti-Zionist but that's understandable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So you want to ignore everything Kizzy has just cited because it belittles the agenda put forth in this discussion?

What Kizzy has just posted is absolutely crucial to a debate like this. Attempting to shut her down is ridiculous.

Ah I get the impression LT is only interested in rousing the 'have pitchfork will travel' mob.... I'm out

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

A GREAT percentage of the Labour Party DETEST Corbyn and all he stands for but are too FEARFUL to come out of the shadow to voice their opposition to him, so not ALL 'assassins' of Corbyn are 'Card-Carrying Right Wing'.

The anonymous ones are all too probably Labour Party Members who are just waiting for Corbyn's bully boy protectors to lose 'MOMENTUM' (see what I did there?: hehe before 'standing up to be counted'..

Like Jon Lansman Momentum founder...You do know he's Jewish don't you?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."

Nice try
But
Firstly.I offered no opinion on this article.Just posted a news article.So no need for the defensive ‘but but you said’ just yet.

However here’s my opinion.
I have no problem with any religion being mocked.I enjoyed Life Of Brian and i think any religion should be free to be mocked or criticised.Funny we don’t see a Life Of Brian-esque comedy on Islam.Probably for fear of a Charlie Hebdo 2.0.Which is very telling in itself.
This cartoon from the description wasn’t just mocking religion or even its prophet.
It was Specifically targeting Jewish people and a long held stereotype.If it was just the religion that was being mocked then i don’t think it would’ve even made the news.

[MTVN]

Corbyn’s personal support for an anti-Semitic cartoon is just one of several times he has actively defended anti-Semites. There was the letter Corbyn wrote in defence of Stephen Sizer, who shared anti-Semitic material linking Jews and Israel to the 9/11 attacks. Corbyn blamed Sizer’s anti-Semitic postings on a “technical oversight” and implied “certain individuals” were targeting him.

Then there was Paul Eisen, the infamous self-professed Holocaust denier who wrote:

“I question that there ever existed homicidal gas-chambers… Deny the Holocaust! For my money, a child of six can see that something’s not right about the Holocaust narrative… For me, “Holocaust Denier” is a label I accept.”

Corbyn admitted supporting Eisen’s Deir Yassen Remembered group. Many mainstream Palestinians view the group as anti-Semitic and riddled with Holocaust deniers. The group included Gill Kaffash, a former Labour councillor and associate of Corbyn for many years. She once told an Iranian news agency that the Holocaust needed to be “further examined to uncover the truth”. Corbyn said he couldn’t remember if he had donated money to Eisen and Kaffash’s campaign. Eisen said he did donate. This is Corbyn at a meeting held by the organisation in 2013. Corbyn was associated with the group for 10 years

Sheikh Raed Salah was found by a British judge to have used the blood libel. He was sentenced to eight months in prison in Israel for inciting anti-Jewish racism. Corbyn called Salah “a very honoured citizen” and invited him for tea on the terrace in parliament

In October 2014 Corbyn wrote an article for the Morning Star admitting he attended a wreath-laying ceremony at the grave of a Palestinian terrorist who carried out the Munich massacre. Corbyn wrote that wreaths were laid “on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris”. Atef Bseiso was the PLO head of intelligence and was one of the Palestinian terrorists who was involved in Munich. Bseiso was shot dead by Israeli agents in Paris. The Sunday Times sent a reporter to the graveyard of the “martyrs” that Corbyn visited. Bseiso is buried there.

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/c...-anti-semites/

No doubt all just smears and unfortunate coincidences though

[jet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No doubt all just smears and unfortunate coincidences though

Isn't it always?

Post something pro - Corbyn, and it'll be the gospel according to Saint Dionysius, the patron Saint of Truth.

[Vicky.]

OK MTVN I have read your dossier thing and have done a pretty quick about turn on this topic

Just been reading Rod Liddles piece in the Sunday times too, which I thought might fit here (with sharetoken as times is paywalled)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...18f22783d11523

I don't tend to agree with Liddle on much at all. But I do think he has this pretty spot on.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK MTVN I have read your dossier thing and have done a pretty quick about turn on this topic

Just been reading Rod Liddles piece in the Sunday times too, which I thought might fit here (with sharetoken as times is paywalled)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...18f22783d11523

I don't tend to agree with Liddle on much at all. But I do think he has this pretty spot on.

Rod Liddle, the author of this link is the same man who wrote an online comment on a Millwall fan forum. He said "Its ****ing outrageous that you can't smoke in Auschwitz. I had to sneak round the back of the gas chambers for a crafty snout. Also, I wasn't convinced by the newish Auschwitz Burger Bar and Grill."

Sorry, I only read as far as "even the Muslims in Tower Hamlets thought this was pushing it a bit" to know this is a completely bias article directed at bringing Corbyn, the man who sacked him, down.

"He has called the genocidal racists of Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends", for example. He could not bring himself even to meet the Israeli prime minister last year (which must have really disappointed Benjamin Netanyahu), and a recent Labour Party fact-finding tour to Israel disdained to meet any Israeli politicians who don't want to give their country over to the Palestinians first thing Monday morning.
Corbyn and the Momentum monkeys will undoubtedly argue that this is an anti-Zionist stance, not anti-semitic, per se. But then these lefties might ask themselves why it is Israel, of all the countries in the world, that so obsesses them, that so nurtures their hatred? Is it the only place where nasty things happen? Are there no other countries that might be the focus of their deranged and unrelenting wrath?"

What a load of nonsense. Why Israel? Because Israel is systematically stealing land and displacing Muslims onto a spit of land whilst the West continue to arm them and hold their hand; that's why. The apartheid in Israel is at least as bad if not worse than the apartheid that happened in Africa… that's why some of us, including many, many Jewish people refuse to support Zionism. Corbyn is anti-Zionist. I'm anti-Zionist. Many, many Jewish people are anti-Zionist. This has got nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with anti-Zionism. If it was anti Semitism, that would make a large population of Jewish people anti-Semetic too which is ridiculous. Why should it only be the anti-Zionist Jews who can speak out about this terrible atrocity?

Here's what Human Rights Watch report. I expect Liddle would acuse them of being anti-Semitic too! https://www.hrw.org/world-report/201...rael/palestine