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Old 24-03-2018, 04:25 PM #1
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Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Labour MPs for criticising removal of anti-Semitic mural
Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised by his own MPs over his apparent support for an anti-Semitic mural on a street in east London.

The mural, made by street artist Mear One, depicted a group of Jewish financiers and white businessmen playing a Monopoly-style game on a board balanced on the backs of people.


Included in the portrait, which was removed by Tower Hamlets Council after a number of complaints were made, also included an activist holding a banner which read: "The new world order is the enemy of humanity".

Mr Corbyn left a comment on a Facebook post by Mear One, real name Kalen Ockerman, in 2012 after the artist revealed his work was set to be whitewashed.
The Labour MP wrote: "Why? You are in good company.

"Rockerfeller (sic) destroyed Diego Viera's mural because it includes a picture of Lenin."

Mr Corbyn's response to the post was highlighted by Labour MP Luciana Berger, who said she had asked the party leader's office for an explanation on Friday.
In a statement, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech.

"However, the mural was offensive, used anti-Semitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed."

But hours later, Mr Corbyn released another statement, which read: "In 2012 I made a general comment about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech. My comment referred to the destruction of the mural Man at the Crossroads by Diego Rivera on the Rockefeller Center.

"That is in no way comparable with the mural in the original post. I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.

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Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Labour MPs for criticising removal of anti-Semitic mural
Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised by his own MPs over his apparent support for an anti-Semitic mural on a street in east London.

The mural, made by street artist Mear One, depicted a group of Jewish financiers and white businessmen playing a Monopoly-style game on a board balanced on the backs of people.


Included in the portrait, which was removed by Tower Hamlets Council after a number of complaints were made, also included an activist holding a banner which read: "The new world order is the enemy of humanity".

Mr Corbyn left a comment on a Facebook post by Mear One, real name Kalen Ockerman, in 2012 after the artist revealed his work was set to be whitewashed.
The Labour MP wrote: "Why? You are in good company.

"Rockerfeller (sic) destroyed Diego Viera's mural because it includes a picture of Lenin."

Mr Corbyn's response to the post was highlighted by Labour MP Luciana Berger, who said she had asked the party leader's office for an explanation on Friday.
In a statement, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech.

"However, the mural was offensive, used anti-Semitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed."

But hours later, Mr Corbyn released another statement, which read: "In 2012 I made a general comment about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech. My comment referred to the destruction of the mural Man at the Crossroads by Diego Rivera on the Rockefeller Center.

"That is in no way comparable with the mural in the original post. I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...mural-11301595
But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."
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But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."
These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.
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These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.
I strongly disagree. Those depictions of a Muslim prophet offended perfectly innocent Muslim people and not just war mongering Jihadists. Its no different than satanizing Jesus and expecting devout Christians not to be offended.

I happen to agree with that graffiti picture being removed as I can see clearly why it could be offensive but you can't have one rule for one faith and another for a different faith. Well you can but its hypocritical.

Corbyn doesn't support anti-semitism. No doubt he's anti-Zionist but that's understandable.
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These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.
You are aware he hadn't seen the mural prior to it's removal?
By the way did you notice the word scrawled across it prior to the removal?...

In the interest of art the artist thankfully recreated the piece in 2016, with slight changes to the appearance of the bankers.
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But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."
Nice try
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Firstly.I offered no opinion on this article.Just posted a news article.So no need for the defensive ‘but but you said’ just yet.

However here’s my opinion.
I have no problem with any religion being mocked.I enjoyed Life Of Brian and i think any religion should be free to be mocked or criticised.Funny we don’t see a Life Of Brian-esque comedy on Islam.Probably for fear of a Charlie Hebdo 2.0.Which is very telling in itself.
This cartoon from the description wasn’t just mocking religion or even its prophet.
It was Specifically targeting Jewish people and a long held stereotype.If it was just the religion that was being mocked then i don’t think it would’ve even made the news.
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Corbyn’s personal support for an anti-Semitic cartoon is just one of several times he has actively defended anti-Semites. There was the letter Corbyn wrote in defence of Stephen Sizer, who shared anti-Semitic material linking Jews and Israel to the 9/11 attacks. Corbyn blamed Sizer’s anti-Semitic postings on a “technical oversight” and implied “certain individuals” were targeting him.

Then there was Paul Eisen, the infamous self-professed Holocaust denier who wrote:

“I question that there ever existed homicidal gas-chambers… Deny the Holocaust! For my money, a child of six can see that something’s not right about the Holocaust narrative… For me, “Holocaust Denier” is a label I accept.”

Corbyn admitted supporting Eisen’s Deir Yassen Remembered group. Many mainstream Palestinians view the group as anti-Semitic and riddled with Holocaust deniers. The group included Gill Kaffash, a former Labour councillor and associate of Corbyn for many years. She once told an Iranian news agency that the Holocaust needed to be “further examined to uncover the truth”. Corbyn said he couldn’t remember if he had donated money to Eisen and Kaffash’s campaign. Eisen said he did donate. This is Corbyn at a meeting held by the organisation in 2013. Corbyn was associated with the group for 10 years

Sheikh Raed Salah was found by a British judge to have used the blood libel. He was sentenced to eight months in prison in Israel for inciting anti-Jewish racism. Corbyn called Salah “a very honoured citizen” and invited him for tea on the terrace in parliament

In October 2014 Corbyn wrote an article for the Morning Star admitting he attended a wreath-laying ceremony at the grave of a Palestinian terrorist who carried out the Munich massacre. Corbyn wrote that wreaths were laid “on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris”. Atef Bseiso was the PLO head of intelligence and was one of the Palestinian terrorists who was involved in Munich. Bseiso was shot dead by Israeli agents in Paris. The Sunday Times sent a reporter to the graveyard of the “martyrs” that Corbyn visited. Bseiso is buried there.

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/c...-anti-semites/
No doubt all just smears and unfortunate coincidences though
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No doubt all just smears and unfortunate coincidences though
Isn't it always?

Post something pro - Corbyn, and it'll be the gospel according to Saint Dionysius, the patron Saint of Truth.
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