[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by TerryTagnut

Thankies!



Whoohoo lucky me



Patronising?

I have answered your concerns over vegetable glycerine. I've even linked you to some juicy links which shows the positives of ecigs.

Would you be willing to answer the following questions Kizzy?

Do you drink tea or coffee? They are both drugs.
Do you consume sugar? Most dieticians regard sugar as a recreational drug.
Do you consume alcohol?
Do you take regular exercise?
Are you overweight?

I'll answer those questions first. I might drink a few cups of tea a day (usually black) and have an occasional coffee. Mainly though, I drink herbal tea. I don't drink alcohol, and I avoid sugar. I do regular cardiovascular exercise and train with weights. I train for marathons and currently learning to rock climb. In short, I'm a very very boring person

That said, I have no problems whatsoever if people enjoy getting ratarsed, can't be bothered to do any exercise and drink coffee like it's going out of fashion. It's their life - non of my business (although tbh, I do think of the children sometimes when I see shelf after shelf stacked with sugar-laden chocolate, a recreational drug clearly aimed at children).

However, I do enjoy my nicotine (my drug of choice, just like alcohol or caffeine might be other people's choice). I now enjoy my nicotine in a far healthier manner.

If you answered yes to any of the questions above btw, would you consider me patronising for rebuking you because you enjoy them?

Sorry for the waffle (!) but I think this is important. I have tried over and over again to give up cigarettes (and if used according to the instructions, will probably kill you). Traditional NRT (gums, patches, sprays) have over a 90% failure rate (in other words, they do not work but line the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry). NRT never worked for me. You can give me the line about "just give up". But only a non smoker would ever say such a thing. Fact is fact. I have tried and failed. But succeeded by using an ecig.

Now, even the most ardent opponent of ecigs would have to concur that ecigs are without question, far far far safer than using a cigarette. Couple that with the fact that, for some, just giving up smoking is impossible, then what do you do?

Just condemn people to die a horrendous fate, just because you and the Daily Mail can't stand the idea of people enjoying themselves?

I'm not sure how to answer your question about the "think of the children" line tbh. How do you want me to think about them precisely? That line is usually dragged out when there's a lack of supporting evidence to bolster a proper line of argument.

For some reason, the Daily Mail has an agenda against ecigs. It completely ignores the positive, but blatantly lies week after week with half truths and misinformation. That link you gave earlier, about diacetyl. At the moment diacetyl is a contentious issue in the vaping community, but it's only found in some and not all eliquids. It's also a problem being address, making sure future liquids will not contain these chemicals. And even if they did, they would still be far far far far safer than smoking a traditional cigarette. It's scare tactics, it's taking something and completely distorting it to fit an agenda.

If you want to criticise ecigs because of a weakness that can be remedied, then you might as well criticise water because some people drown in it. In other words, you can change things to make them safer. In other words, it's not a legitimate argument against the inherent positives of ecigs.

Anyway, sorry about the waffle. But I look forward to your answers. Is stoicism really the answer? Is pleasure such a bad thing? Who gives anyone the right to pass judgement, just because they personally don't like it? You can drag up as many children as you want, but the fact remains; if you try to prevent people from using ecigs, then you would be condemning millions and millions of people to an early demise. This is fact.

You didn't answer my concerns and have conveniently glossed over the article I posted voicing said concerns... maybe you could dip your toe and give a response to that?

I don't feel questioning me on my habits would be of any benefit seeing as I'm not addicted to nicotine, nothing else would be comparable would it?
You can't compare one addictive substance to another like that.... nicotine suspended in an oil based solution is nothing like sugar, sugar is a substance in it's natural state, it is ingested and absorbed in a compleatly different way and it's effects are equally diverse.

Why you've aligned me with the daily mail and suggested I don't like people 'enjoying themselves' I don't know
If you vape and are not physically or mentally equipt to rid yourself of your addiction and choose to see what you do as enjoyment that's fine terry.

I never asked you to think of the children, I stated I was considering them due to the target market is all, don't misquote me please. I'm not judging you either, you can surround yourself in a custardy haze all day for all I care, my initial issue was with the aim of the marketing is all.