[TerryTagnut]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You didn't answer my concerns and have conveniently glossed over the article I posted voicing said concerns... maybe you could dip your toe and give a response to that?

I don't feel questioning me on my habits would be of any benefit seeing as I'm not addicted to nicotine, nothing else would be comparable would it?
You can't compare one addictive substance to another like that.... nicotine suspended in an oil based solution is nothing like sugar, sugar is a substance in it's natural state, it is ingested and absorbed in a compleatly different way and it's effects are equally diverse.

Why you've aligned me with the daily mail and suggested I don't like people 'enjoying themselves' I don't know
If you vape and are not physically or mentally equipt to rid yourself of your addiction and choose to see what you do as enjoyment that's fine terry.

I never asked you to think of the children, I stated I was considering them due to the target market is all, don't misquote me please. I'm not judging you either, you can surround yourself in a custardy haze all day for all I care, my initial issue was with the aim of the marketing is all.

From the International Journal of Environmental Research and
Public Health:

Propylene glycol and glycerol are the main ingredients of EC liquids. Both are classified by Food
and Drug Administration (FDA) and by the Flavor and Extracts Manufacturers Association (FEMA) as
additives that are “generally recognized as safe” for use in food (FEMA GRAS numbers 2,940 and
2,525 respectively). They are also used in tobacco cigarettes as humectants; however they may be
pyrolyzed to acrolein and formaldehyde [32,33]. Goniewicz et al. found acrolein and formaldehyde in
EC vapour [34]; however, the levels detected were lower compared to CS by orders of magnitude,
probably because the temperature of evaporation of EC liquid is lower compared to the temperature of
combustion in tobacco cigarettes. Similar observations were made by Lauterbach and Laugesen [35].
Even if such chemicals were released during vapour production in this study, the amount was probably
not enough to produce any significant cytotoxic effect on cultured cells. Nicotine, at levels commonly
found in cigarettes, does not induce cell death and may even have anti-apoptotic properties in
myocardial [36] and other cell lines [37,38].,

Damn, there's probably loads of studies which back up use of vegetable glycerine to be 'safe'. I don't pretend to be a medical expert (actually, medically ignorant would be a better description), but one thing I do know, there's a plethora of peer reviewed research that all come to the same conclusion - that ecigs are a far healthier alternative to smoking. As I've stated before, if cigarettes are deemed 100 (in terms of risk), then ecigs by comparison are somewhere between 1 and 5.

But, not even getting bogged down by the science, you speak to any user of ecigs and they'll all probably be saying the same thing: they can breathe better, they feel far healthier and it's been a life-changing decision for them.

I'm not sure why you're saying that it's unfair to compare one addiction to another. Let's take alcohol for a start. In 2012, about 3.3 million deaths, or 5.9 % of all global deaths, were attributable to alcohol consumption. That's quite a number.

Remember, nicotine has the same risk profile as caffeine. So, I'm left unclear why someone would say it's unfair to make a comparison? People think nicotine is the killer, when in fact it's all the other crap in cigarettes. There's mountain evidence that far from being a killer, nicotine in fact might be a wonder drug!

http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix

It would be a crying shame if the benefits of nicotine were swept under the carpet just because of some moral fanaticism.

Anyway, I apologise for aligning you with the Daily Mail. I think it was the "think of the children" thing that lead me to this misapprehension. Usually put forward by the zealots without any rational argument. Speaking of which:

http://ecigarettereviewed.com/top-10...vaping-zealots

I think people's main concern with ecigs is the fact that in some circumstances it can look like smoking. But it's just vapour. Do we ban kettles? Do we ban shaking coke cans in public because it might look like a gratuitous act of onanism? Where do we draw the line?

One thing I know though - the sooner the truth about ecigs becomes apparent, and can be discussed in a sensible and adult fashion, without emotive and nonsensical argument put forward such as "the think of the children" line (which doesn't have one shred of evidence to substantiate it being used), the better it will be. It will give millions of smokers a chance to make an informed decision to switch to a healthier alternative if they so desire.

That said, I have nothing against smokers - it's their choice, and they should have the right to carry on without the constant bullying and chastisement from a pernicious and judgemental society.