[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In response to your reply to my post Kirk, for me the fact that there's a lot of evidence to suggest how we started and how life was actually created on Earth, dispels the notion of the "gods" presented to us through the religions, clearly we weren't made in anyone's image and space is so vast I doubt we were purposefully made either. Is there some higher power some where that created it all? I have no idea and I doubt I ever will

No, Niamh, I wasn't even considering 'God' when I said your post was brilliant.

I was referring - on a purely physics level - that you had mentioned the one insurmountable obstacle that Krauss and others encounter and cannot surmount: "Nothing' comes out of 'Nothing'.

The very idea of 'A Universe From Nothing' breaches the 'First Law of Thermodynamics'- that universally long held tenet that; "nothing in the Universe (i.e., matter or energy) can pop into existence from nothing" --

-- and flies in the face of another principle of physics - 'The Conservation of Matter' - which states that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. In the words of revered evolutionary astronomer, Robert Jastrow: "Matter can be converted into energy, and vice versa, but the total amount of all matter and energy in the Universe must remain unchanged forever”

So if - according to the physicist's 'Bible' - 'Nothing' can ever be suddenly created from 'Nothing', and if both 'Matter' and 'Energy' cannot be created, then Krauss's preposterous and B.S. proposition is a non-starter, and no matter how he tries to 'disguise' thefact that his proposition is B.S. (more later in another post) then we are left with the fact that 'Something' came out of 'Something'.

This has nothing to do with God, it is physics, and you echoed as much when you wrote: .

"Well it is really, we might know how life started and evolved on earth but where did the stuff that made that possible come from etc etc etc you could go back and back and back and probably never get to the end...".

Exactly! 'Something' was there in the first place, or in other words; there was 'something' which already was in existence which was not dependent on 'something else' for it's existence.

In physics, you simply cannot create 'Anything' out of 'Nothing'.

And to us believers - using the bastardised principles of Occam's Razor - that only leaves God.