[joeysteele]

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Sorry that is nonsense, and 10 billion pounds of cuts are now having to be found by this govt; that they would not say what they would be cutting.
Only what they wouldn't

Pensioner entitlements,

child benefit - will be cut to visitors and qualification periods will extend up to 5 years. that's great and its fair, people must pay national insurance just like everyone else

.the only things left are jobseekers, they cannot save much from that it is only a palty weekly figure anyway. - they are not allowing 18 to 21 yr olds to go on this without either being on courses learning skills or working
They can hit carers allowance,which will hit the disabled.-labour hit carers allowance and cancelled it for pensioners too. labour also failed to merge the social service and health trust on home care. they also failed to claim back on the private medical carers insurance wasting the economy billions more

Also if you think they did nothing against the sick and disabled, then get along to some of these re-assessments the sick and disabled have to attend and see how rotten they are treated there too.- these were fair enough. the really sick and really disabled kept their benefits, even those treated unfairly had the right to appeal and appeal. millions claimed it falsely simply through developing poor health through poor lifestyle choices and obesity. that is a whole world away from having a disability



PIP replacing DLA,is a nightmare to get, people have avoided claiming it unless they are pushed by some authority to do so.....that makes no sense. pip pays more in many cases and seems to have weeded out the many cheats.

People really ill with cancer, dementia and incurable conditions, worse still those with mental health problems, taken off what was incapacity, told they can do some work ad to claim jobseekers,or put in the wrag as to ESA, rather than the support group of ESA, where they should be.
having to endure endless months and up to a year or moreof fighting to get their rightful benefits restored to them.

THIS point I partly agree with....too many fell through the incapacity gap. of course millions milked it before and wasted billions....but the tories need to get much better at managing this and weeding out the fakes from the genuine people....no one with the conditions you outline should ever lose this benefit imo...on the upside more money is going into the nhs under the conservatives than under labour and this will rise again with a growing economy and a less wasteful less burocratic nhs

People having to go to court who are sick and disabled,just to get their rightful entitlements, needing social workers and Doctors to provide endless evidence to support their claims. you make a valid point but exaggerate somewhat. - again this is a very sad downside to trying to weed out the cheats....in most cases the genuine claimants did get their benefits back. doctors can be hard to get to see too , their secretaries are like pitbulls, social workers need to fight for these people. weve seen how appalling social workers can be in the endless cover ups
That is what has happened to the sick, disabled and most vulnerable during this rotten heartless govt's; last 5 years in power.
maybe not where you are as you seem to live in a state of Utopia, in the rest of the real world however that is what is happening.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....in many topic areas ive outlined how things are way worse here in mid wales than other places...

Try to get yourself along to the ATOS style re-assessments of the sick and disabled,you may just get an eye opener.- you need the eye opener...try and look at the gurnos estate in Merthyr to find a sea of workless demotivate duneducated ambiton free people, lifestyle choices imposed by the sick new labour doctrine, try look at the way labour left Iraq, try look at the debts they left, try look at the thousands dead in the Stafford cover up, the endless mrsa filthy bugs across british hospitals under labour helping to kill thousands, the massive growth in nhs middle management, the fall in welsh labour nhs investment the waste of the gold, the lies the spin the deceit of new labour....maybe you need the eye opener

I recognise very little of your responses.

PIP is a nightmare, the delays in claiming it are horrendous, I was involved in the assisting of a lady claiming it,it took 7 months to get,also for the greater number of those on DLA,they have not yet been re-assessed for PIP, they are still on DLA.
Mostly PIP is only being dealt with as to new claimants of disability,not existing ones,
So likely no cheat has been weeded out as you try to point out.

You are obsessed with benefit cheats,there are according to the 'official' figures, I know you don't like official figures,less than 1% of claimants doing so wrongly.
What on earth has Stafford to do with cuts to benefits too,or is that your way to get onto the NHS which is another of your hates from Doctors down to especially the Nursing staff.

The NHS will always have things go wrong, and they are now, never mind just when Labour were in power.
The NHS has nothing to do with benefit cuts however and this thread does, so I won't humour your endless criticism and put down of the NHS here.

I can agree Labour should have done more about social care and theyw ere planning to in 2009,in talks with the Lib Dems, talks Andrew Lansley of the Conservative opposition would not take part in as to trying to find the best way to do same.

This govt; has made a mess of social care,over the last 5 years, we have elderly people kept in hospital for months because there is no social care in place to get them back in their homes after 5 years of this govt:
This govt; terms those elderly people, 'bed blockers'.

Really, is that the best you can come up with.
The govt' will save housing benefit from the under 21s, how much will that actually save and how much of that will then reduce the 10 billion of cuts to welfare this govt; is now committed to.
I can tell you not a penny, because these plans today are already accounted for in the 2 billion of specified welfare cuts the Conservatives made in the election.

None of what you list above, will be making up in any way, part of the 'extra 10 billion of cuts they are committed to finding in welfare alone.

If they hit carers allowance now, they will really hit the sick and disabled more than ever before.
Carers allowance has reduced in value over this govts; time in power,due to rising costs, if they hit it now, it will likely mean people ill get less care.
the point is they are hitting the wrong people to scratch a bit of savings here and there while doing nothing about raking in the funds they should from those at the top miking across the system.

So again, I ask you where are the 10 billion pounds of extra welfare cuts going to hit.
All you listed above is already specified in the 2 billion pounds of cuts from welfare, they need to find another 10 billion.
They say not from pensioners, not from child benefit,that then only leaves the sick, disabled and most vulnerable left.

They could of course do one thing,extend the bedroom charge to pensioners living on their own in social housing,that may ease the cuts to the sick and disabled.
Wait again however, no they cannot, they are doing nothing at all as to pensioners so cannot do that.
Back to square one, they are only left with the sick and disabled to find saving of an extra 10 billion pounds from then.

I feel pretty sure that is where they are going, and it is why they would not even indicate what that 10 billion pounds of welfare cuts would be made up from during the election.
If and when they do so, for me it will be the most despicable act and cowardly act of any govt; past or present.