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Originally Posted by jaxie

As bit on the slide said a turd with a bow is still a turd. I think you are missing the point about Scotland and your friends at the SNP. If Labour can't claw some of those seats back they can't ever have enough votes to win a general election. Scotland has always been vital to Labour to win an election. A vote for Nicola Sturgeon in a general election is a vote for a Tory government.

Not strictly accurate.

There are only 4 elections out of the 9 elections won by Labour post war,where if there were no Scottish seats, Labour would not have been able to form the govt.
They are the election of 1950,1964 and the 2 held in 1974,February and October respectively.

All the others, 1945, 1966,1997,2001 and 2005,Labour would have been the govt in any event,without any Scottish seats, also in fact very comfortably still so in 1945,1966,1997 and 2001, a little tighter in 2005 but still would have had an overall majority.


However you are right,in that the Scottish picture does make things look worse for Labour at present.
The one consolation being, that the SNP,( if there was the chance no matter how small),to support a Labour led govt. rather than a Conservative one, they would for sure do so.