[lime]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Project fear

CANCEL IT!

and what as you rhodesian do see as fear..Grace and Robert is too much in your ear

[Twosugars]

like ukip? lol
it's better than ruining the country for decades to come

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

like ukip? lol
it's better than ruining the country for decades to come

It might be worse than Ukip there's a lot of jossling for position and in-fighting on this side of the argument at the moment.

UKIP was finished after the referendum result and most went and put their vote back to the mainstream, but Ukip are now still alive because the people are being deceived.

[James]

The problem with a second referendum is that it is being proposed by people that supported remain before and still do. It's not being proposed by people that supported leave before and have now changed their minds. Those people are just going to think that the first vote didn't count.

It would be better for remain campaigners and MPs to get behind a compromise that still delivers a version of Brexit, whether it is this deal, or if that isn't passed, a Norway-type deal.

It won't please everyone, but that is unavoidable.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

The problem with a second referendum is that it is being proposed by people that supported remain before and still do. It's not being proposed by people that supported leave before and have now changed their minds. Those people are just going to think that the first vote didn't count.

It would be better for remain campaigners and MPs to get behind a compromise that still delivers a version of Brexit, whether it is this deal, or if that isn't passed, a Norway-type deal.

It won't please everyone, but that is unavoidable.

So far not enough backing that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by James

The problem with a second referendum is that it is being proposed by people that supported remain before and still do. It's not being proposed by people that supported leave before and have now changed their minds. Those people are just going to think that the first vote didn't count.

It would be better for remain campaigners and MPs to get behind a compromise that still delivers a version of Brexit, whether it is this deal, or if that isn't passed, a Norway-type deal.

It won't please everyone, but that is unavoidable.

I think you're completely wrong there.

I think there's plenty of people who voted Leave who at the time, spurred on by false promises from the brexit side who have rethought their position now that they are faced with the choice of a bad deal or a no deal exit which will be bad for everyone.

If people still feel the same way as they did before then the result won't change, the brexit side only want to block another vote because they don't think they'll win now people are faced with the ramifications of what brexit will entail. Not very democratic, is it?

People are allowed to change their minds, I personally think people should be held to their mistakes in the choices they make but it would be undemocratic to not allow a vote just because one side believes they won't win again.

If the tide has changed, I think expecting the new majority to be silent and accept a compromise that's no longer the will of the people is wrong and hypocritical.

The only real democratic option is another vote, if people still want brexit, we leave with no deal since that deal won't ever be accepted and if people change their mind then they change their mind as is their democratic prerogative. One final vote now that we aren't voting on possibilities but real options makes the most sense.

If people's belief in Brexit is as strong as brexiteers have you believe than they have nothing to fear from the democratic process.

[Parmy]

I find it disgusting that the two opposing sides in government cant get their acts together to come together enough to deliver the will of the majority of the population.

If that's not enough to get people up protesting against this failing political system I don't know what is.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I find it disgusting that the two opposing sides in government cant get their acts together to come together enough to deliver the will of the majority of the population.

If that's not enough to get people up protesting against this failing political system I don't know what is.

The Prime Minister is at fault
last year she changed the deal
upsetting all sides.


Corbyn was expecting
her to Leave on her early deal.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by arista

The Prime Minister is at fault
last year she changed the deal
upsetting all sides.


Corbyn was expecting
her to Leave on her early deal.

It should never have been left to one side to sort out a deal. Probably one of the biggest tasks this country has had to deal with in modern times...I was looking for my government to come into the modern era and come together putting all differences aside and deliver what the country both wants and needs.

[Northern Monkey]

One thing’s for sure if Brexit was overturned.People would certainly move away from the 2 main parties.They would need somewhere to turn(Those that didn’t denounce British politics totally and never vote again).
I do think that a few would turn to the new sh1tshow that is UKIP.They would gain more votes for sure but not massively,Not since Gerard Batten took over and recruited Tommy Robinson.UKIP has thrown away all credibility now.
For me,The Tories would split and take along the few Euro skeptics from the other parties and form a new mainstream pro leave party.They would gain traction(more than UKIP) imo.

I don’t think there’d be a massive rise to the far right in this country.I do think it would grow but not hugely.
We rejected the BNP when they were here.
I think that the main consequence would be to deter Brits from engaging in our political system.It would be seen as a joke and disenfranchise most people.
The institution of parliament would lose most of its credibility.It’s doing a good job of that currently by trying every trick in the book(literally) to stop us leaving.When the speaker of the house can’t show neutrality then it doesn’t look good.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

One thing’s for sure if Brexit was overturned.People would certainly move away from the 2 main parties.They would need somewhere to turn(Those that didn’t denounce British politics totally and never vote again).
I do think that a few would turn to the new sh1tshow that is UKIP.They would gain more votes for sure but not massively,Not since Gerard Batten took over and recruited Tommy Robinson.UKIP has thrown away all credibility now.
For me,The Tories would split and take along the few Euro skeptics from the other parties and form a new mainstream pro leave party.They would gain traction(more than UKIP) imo.

I don’t think there’d be a massive rise to the far right in this country.I do think it would grow but not hugely.
We rejected the BNP when they were here.
I think that the main consequence would be to deter Brits from engaging in our political system.It would be seen as a joke and disenfranchise most people.
The institution of parliament would lose most of its credibility.It’s doing a good job of that currently by trying every trick in the book(literally) to stop us leaving.When the speaker of the house can’t show neutrality then it doesn’t look good.

Yes Good Points NM
it is small amount.

[lime]

Just for my own record..When did folk describe the far right as extreme right ?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lime

Just for my own record..When did folk describe the far right as extreme right ?

Post number 59 of this thread, 3rd line down.

Anything else?

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

Post number 59 of this thread, 3rd line down.

Anything else?

Checekd it Wannashag ...but it doesnt explain to me how the far right is now the extreme right?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lime

Checekd it Wannashag ...but it doesnt explain to me how the far right is now the extreme right?

That's because you're dumb.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's because you're dumb.

intelligent in put lad

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's because you're dumb.

He is not dumb


He is clever

[Oliver_W]

No-one who can comprehend what they say like Tommy Robinson or Owen Jones, using either to represent "their side" is just pointless.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one who can comprehend what they say like Tommy Robinson or Owen Jones, using either to represent "their side" is just pointless.

Oh look..Here's Olliver that thinks babies drowing is good

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by lime

Oh look..Here's Olliver that thinks babies drowing is good

And a spurious nonsequitor to you too.

[Oliver_W]

I don't think at this point trying to stop Brexit would cause a far right surge - I think most of the apparent rises in the far right across Europe is mostly caused by the migration crisis not being averted efficiently, so people are voting for those they believe will sort it out. Remaining in a trade union isn't really comparable to what some on the continent are facing, so I doubt it would lead to similar results.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't think at this point trying to stop Brexit would cause a far right surge - I think most of the apparent rises in the far right across Europe is mostly caused by the migration crisis not being averted efficiently, so people are voting for those they believe will sort it out. Remaining in a trade union isn't really comparable to what some on the continent are facing, so I doubt it would lead to similar results.

Indeed, and I personally believe such a "surge" is actually more likely post-Brexit because there will be a decline in white European immigration (which those on the further right don't actually care about) and a corresponding INCREASE in immigration from further afield (which those people currently are under the illusion will be halted or stopped through Brexit).

Honestly I think there is a section of society that is going to be very, VERY upset in 5 years time when they start to realise that Brexit didn't fulfil their immigration wishes in the slightest.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed, and I personally believe such a "surge" is actually more likely post-Brexit because there will be a decline in white European immigration (which those on the further right don't actually care about) and a corresponding INCREASE in immigration from further afield (which those people currently are under the illusion will be halted or stopped through Brexit).

Honestly I think there is a section of society that is going to be very, VERY upset in 5 years time when they start to realise that Brexit didn't fulfil their immigration wishes in the slightest.

Yeah, the chain of events won't be a)no Brexit b)far right rises, but a)any form of (no/) deal which compromises our borders b)more undesirable immigration c)far right rises.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah, the chain of events won't be a)no Brexit b)far right rises, but a)any form of (no/) deal which compromises our borders b)more undesirable immigration c)far right rises.

The borders don't even need to be "compromised", there will simply be more legal migration of ethnic minorities and when it comes right down to it, for many Brexit voters that's the real problem (the "erosion of British culture", as they see it) and not the legality of migration.

Economically, the country cannot and will not have vastly reduced migration numbers. We have an ageing population, it just isn't possible to dramatically reduce net migration. Leaving the EU will (almost certainly) reduce the number of European migrants and thus the "gap" will be filled with mostly Middle Eastern, Indian/Pakistani and African migrants. You can almost hear the chorus of "This ain't wot I Brexitted for!!" already.

[Nicky91]

of course majority of old people chose to leave, quite selfish of them since they aren't around on this world for that long anymore, unlike the youth who voted to remain


might seem rude this post from me, but facts are facts


poor youth in UK who wanted to remain who must now be forced to live in a brexit uk