[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Yes, thank Oliver. Have you and Cherie watched it yet?

I have watched half of it, the white family aren’t sitting well with me we stick to our own, it was interesting what the Osman said about his children not experiencing British culture, Tony was an interesting watch as well, will watch the rest later

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...thing is nothing is like ‘the old days’ for anyone and everyone looking back on their childhood and it’ll be the same for our children and our children’s children and on it goes and on it goes...it’s not a cultural thing, it’s just ever evolving and changing landscapes and people, which every neighbourhood needs...

Agree. You hear it all the times people wanting to go back to some bygone era where there was some kind of racial Utopia. The following timeline says otherwise.

1968 - Enoch Powell Rivers of blood speech
1979 - Thatcher rises to power on the back of a speech where she said this country is being 'swamped' - her exact words - by people from oversees.
1981- Brixton and Toxteth riots.
1985 - Murder of PC Blakelock
1993 - Murder of Stephen Lawrence.

I'd like to know when was the period when everyone was getting on

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have watch half of it, the white family aren’t sitting well with me : umm2: we stick to our own, it was interesting what the Asian man said about his children not experiencing British culture, Tony was an interesting watch as well, will watch the rest later

A few of that family seemed OK but the one lady who had too much to say embarrassed herself, unfortunately.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree. You hear it all the times people wanting to go back to some bygone era where there was some kind of racial Utopia. The following timeline says otherwise.

1968 - Enoch Powell Rivers of blood speech
1979 - Thatcher rises to power on the back of a speech where she said this country is being 'swamped' - her exact words - by people from oversees.
1981- Brixton and Toxteth riots.
1985 - Murder of PC Blakelock
1993 - Murder of Stephen Lawrence.

I'd like to know when was the period when everyone was getting on

...it is just how times change in general...as a child..?...my relationship with people in my street/neighbourhood was not the same as my sons’ childhood relationships with our neighbours ...and it’ll differ vastly if they have children as well..it really is just necessary changes over decades...but yeah it was touched on in the vid by the Asian guy who was fifth generation...the derogatory terms which had been used to him through his life from when he was a child, which is something my sister in law..(as a Sikh) has experienced through her life also...

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it is just how times change in general...as a child..?...my relationship with people in my street/neighbourhood was not the same as my sons’ childhood relationships with our neighbours ...and it’ll differ vastly if they have children as well..it really is just necessary changes over decades...but yeah it was touched on in the vid by the Asian guy who was fifth generation...the derogatory terms which had been used to him through his life from when he was a child, which is something my sister in law..(as a Sikh) has experienced through her life also...

Did he say people no longer say those things to him? I'll have to give it a re-watch

[GiRTh]

Watching agqain cuz I'm now officially fascinated by this programme.

18.45 'We was never allowed to mix with different cultures'. I missed this on first view cuz I was too busy laughing at her comparison with the Masoods in EE. Its a 28 year old saying this. Filmed in 2016 so we're talking about someone who was born late 80's. Suddenly I find this a bit more disturbing. Why were this family encouraged to 'Stick to their own' during the 90's and 00's when immigrants have been in this country since the 50's?

[Tom4784]

Racists have always and will always complain about **** like this, racists who claim that english culture is being destroyed when they don't even know their own history or the origins of the varied culture we enjoy now.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Racists have always and will always complain about **** like this, racists who claim that english culture is being destroyed when they don't even know their own history or the origins of the varied culture we enjoy now.

Have you watched the programme the final word was with a Pakastani man who has lived in the East End since he was 13 and he said the British culture in the area was being eradicated and would be gone completely in 10 years

[Cherie]

watched the whole thing now, it was very thought provoking, Eileen had lovely neighbours and didn't want to move but had no choice because her children had already moved and she was moving to be near them so in effect someone who was forced to move rather than really wanting to move. The balance of the area has shifted, just 3 white British children per class of 30, 146 different languages and a new child coming once a week with no English (though I find the once a week thing a bit hard to believe given classes are full and they would have to wait for a place?) I agreed with the Head teacher that children don't see religion or colour, however its in the broad scheme of things that there are issues as the cultures do not mix socially very much, I have had experience of this myself with my kids who went to a predominantly Asian school, the Asian kids are being tutored or at mosque or the families don't want them mixing with white/black families as they don't want any issues withboyfriends/girlfriends from different backgrounds and pre marriage pregnancies are very much frowned upon so they keep a tight rein on who their children mix with, the same goes for different religions the Sikhs want to keep to themselves as well and don't want to mix with the muslims etc, what Osman said was true enough he was picked on as a kid for being different but was then accepted as his friends got to know him and realised he liked the same things, but there were pressures on him as he said himself he had to live a dual life, being one thing at home and another with his friends, the British born people in Newham lost their places to socialise and mix as a community as the area changed and pubs closed, and its a pressure thing as well, like the Mother in the clip said ...people asking...you don't still live around here do you? although I did have to laugh as the daughter is moving to Raleigh so its hard the end of the world for them I think Newham is a prime example of an area where the balance has shifted too much, multi culture should mean just that, multi....however humans will generally try to stick to what they know, when the Irish came in the 50s and 60s there were Irish areas and Irish clubs etc, I suppose the difference was the Irish did cross marry but that is not happening in these new communities...a good watch thank you Livia and Oliver for finding it.

[Ammi]

...It was a strange one what the Indian guy felt about ‘British Culture’ back in the day ...the somehow nostalgia of it..?...because it was back in the day that he spoke of racism toward him from the neighbourhood...and then as he said ...people accepted him for the person he was and stopped focusing on his culture and any differences in culture...I don’t see that as being any different to the here and now...it’s sadly not always that everyone looks beyond culture and cultural dress etc and at the individual...actually looking at who their neighbour is as a person, which is surely the only thing of importance...as with Eileen and her Somalian neighbours ...who she wishes the world was full of neighbours as lovely as them.....

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Racists have always and will always complain about **** like this, racists who claim that english culture is being destroyed when they don't even know their own history or the origins of the varied culture we enjoy now.

"Varied culture we enjoy now" So you're pretty much in agreement with Clease and what he's saying, right?

And by enjoying it now, does that mean we didn't enjoy it before now?

[Cherie]

I was also reminded of a story my bro in law told me, that he ran into a couple from Norfolk while out walking in County Galway last week, and they have moved from Norfolk because of the influx of Londoners

My son has just bought a flat in Norwich I hope he didn't mean him

[Ammi]

...when I was in Norwich a few weeks ago...it was the word on the street about these young people coming in buying all of their flats with their foreign money and such the like.....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree. You hear it all the times people wanting to go back to some bygone era where there was some kind of racial Utopia. The following timeline says otherwise.

1968 - Enoch Powell Rivers of blood speech
1979 - Thatcher rises to power on the back of a speech where she said this country is being 'swamped' - her exact words - by people from oversees.
1981- Brixton and Toxteth riots.
1985 - Murder of PC Blakelock
1993 - Murder of Stephen Lawrence.

I'd like to know when was the period when everyone was getting on

what is that random and totally biased staccato timeline meant to do?

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes

its like Rotherham never happened and that was because of a fear of being branded a racist by people who throw out "racist" like confetti and lo and behold what do we find peppering this thread...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...when I was in Norwich a few weeks ago...it was the word on the street about these young people coming in buying all of their flats with their foreign money and such the like.....

[Alf]

Who thinks it's a good thing if you go to Tokyo and it's majority White people speaking English? Does it make the Japanese racist that it's not?

[bots]

Funny you should mention the japanese who are among the most racist people on the planet

Still don't think Cleese said anything wrong in his post, perfectly legitimate, non aggressive, non violent observation

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Who thinks it's a good thing if you go to Tokyo and it's majority White people speaking English? Does it make the Japanese racist that it's not?

If you need to create a make believe scenario to illustrate your point, maybe it wasn't a good one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Funny you should mention the japanese who are among the most racist people on the planet

Still don't think Cleese said anything wrong in his post, perfectly legitimate, non aggressive, non violent observation

Can you back that statement up with any facts?

[Beso]

The blacks and Indians mix well with the brits in london...the muslims though, I think they are the knees most people are upset about..



How do the Indians and blacks get on with eachother..or the Indians and muslims..or the blacks and muslims.....
The blacks and eastern Europeans. ..the muslims and the etc etc etc.... or are we just allowed to talk about the British old man being a racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The blacks and Indians mix well with the brits in london...the muslims though, I think they are the knees most people are upset about..



How do the Indians and blacks get on with eachother..or the Indians and muslims..or the blacks and muslims.....
The blacks and eastern Europeans. ..the muslims and the etc etc etc.... or are we just allowed to talk about the British old man being a racist.

WHAT!!!!!

Parmy, you know fine well its only the white male who is the baddy

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If you need to create a make believe scenario to illustrate your point, maybe it wasn't a good one.

That's not answering my questions, that's avoiding the questions by having a pop at me instead.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's not answering my questions, that's avoiding the questions by having a pop at me instead.

Try coming up with a less **** hypothetical then.

But I'll bite, Japan has two sides to it's society, one that enjoys the growth and sharing of culture and an older side to it that's often racist and dismissive of other cultures. If I went to Tokyo and saw more a diverse and accepting culture taking root then that's only a sign that the old ways are dying out and that's a good thing. It's not like the temples and history will be torn down and ripped aside, it's not like the national identity is disappearing, it would simply be growing.

It's typically only racists that take issue with diversity.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's not answering my questions, that's avoiding the questions by having a pop at me instead.

I haven't had a pop at you.

You've just made a point and backed it up with an example that doesn't exist. Voiding any point you're trying to make.