[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

And as soon as she comes up with something, we produce a cure.

If we had ten years of only being allowed two children, the equilibrium would be on it's way to being balanced... I mean, the wonderful work Bill Gates and his wife are doing with malaria means there will be more and more survivors in some of the world's poorest countries. How are we going to feed everyone?

2 kids sounds sensible, until you think how that would be enforced. Chinas one child limit has not exactly gone swimmingly :S

It seems people are actually having less and less kids naturally though (at least people in places with contraception..)..sure birth rates gone down another decimal point or something, just not quick enough!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

2 kids sounds sensible, until you think how that would be enforced. Chinas one child limit has not exactly gone swimmingly :S

It seems people are actually having less and less kids naturally though (at least people in places with contraception..)..sure birth rates gone down another decimal point or something, just not quick enough!

The Great David Attenborough said that actually, he's travelled the world with his shows and said that overpopulation is causing pretty much all the problems to this planet and that countries where women have full right over their reproductive system and their own bodies populations are going down.............. surprise surprise. No need to force anyone to have a certain amount of children, just allow women their rights and that will take care of itself

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Great David Attenborough said that actually, he's travelled the world with his shows and said that overpopulation is causing pretty much all the problems to this planet and that countries where women have full right over their reproductive system and their own bodies populations are going down.............. surprise surprise. No need to force anyone to have a certain amount of children, just allow women their rights and that will take care of itself

I agree with that. Education is the answer then?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree with that. Education is the answer then?

Education and women's rights I think. Plus religion still is used in so many countries to keep a hold over people and keep women "in their place". I was only reading about a terrible case in Iran this morning actually about how some women's rights activists have been treated over there, I think it was to do with wearing the Hijab. The female lawyer was imprisoned and whipped for representing the case. Cases like these kind of show how it's viewed as not exactly a choice for women to wear those as well. She got 38 years in prison........

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Education and women's rights I think. Plus religion still is used in so many countries to keep a hold over people and keep women "in their place". I was only reading about a terrible case in Iran this morning actually about how some women's rights activists have been treated over there, I think it was to do with wearing the Hijab. The female lawyer was imprisoned and whipped for representing the case. Cases like these kind of show how it's viewed as not exactly a choice for women to wear those as well. She got 38 years in prison........

38 years..... sounds fair.

All the "popular" religions elevate men above women and that's so 200 years ago.

Totally agree with you and Vicky.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

38 years..... sounds fair.

All the "popular" religions elevate men above women and that's so 200 years ago.

Totally agree with you and Vicky.

Funny that, eh?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The Great David Attenborough said that actually, he's travelled the world with his shows and said that overpopulation is causing pretty much all the problems to this planet and that countries where women have full right over their reproductive system and their own bodies populations are going down.............. surprise surprise. No need to force anyone to have a certain amount of children, just allow women their rights and that will take care of itself

Quite.

Women have reprductive control over their bodies, and those in lesser developed countries get the bloody chance to have control too..this should not really be a 'dream scenario'..but sadly ****ing is

There would still be those having loads because of religion or whatever, but I think the many women who would chose not to have loads would cancel those out tbh.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

2 kids sounds sensible, until you think how that would be enforced. Chinas one child limit has not exactly gone swimmingly :S

It seems people are actually having less and less kids naturally though (at least people in places with contraception..)..sure birth rates gone down another decimal point or something, just not quick enough!

Well, the rich, developed nations have a falling birth rate. The poor families in poor countries are still having as many as ever. People will not be told what to do, and like you say, China's plan went well..... But having only one child is a bit harsher than 2... and of course, China values boys much higher than girls which led to a lot of babies being killed.

We need to do something or we're going to crash and burn.

Sadly the only way of reducing a country's birth rate I reckon, would be under a dictator with the law behind them... and who wants that?