[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Women must take responsibility for their own safety when it comes to rape. They can go out, get drunk, fall over with their skirt up round their waist, all those things that somehow, some people think should be their right..

Not sure what point your making, but I am sure you think you're right.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't think you can safely say a proportion of woman like to follow that doctrine when they are basically commenting from a position of subjugation and enslavement. ... let them taste a generation of freedom and then ask them

Post of the thread so far.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not sure what point your making, but I am sure you think you're right.

Originally Posted by Livia

The Highway Code say "give way to pedestrians at all times". Cars aren't allowed to run you over... but that doesn't mean to say I'm going to wander across the A13 at rush hour. People don't do that because although someone running you over is illegal, it could happen.

Similarly, women must take responsibility for their own safety when it comes to rape. They can go out, get drunk, fall over with their skirt up round their waist, all those things that somehow, some people think should be their right... but make sure you are with mates, that you have a cab booked... don't get caught out and left alone. Take steps to ensure your own safety because PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE. This isn't victim shaming, it's taking responsibility.

Sorry - it was your point. I should have made that clear.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Sorry - it was your point. I should have made that clear.

Are you a little confused?

I do believe women have to take responsible steps for their own safety. But in a country where they are second class citizens, even that wouldn't help. Unless you think women in the West and women in Pakistan have the same kind of rights? That's rhetorical, just to make it clear I don't want a long conversation with you.

Luxurious to have so much time to devote to me.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do believe women have to take responsible steps for their own safety.

Those steps should be "don't walk home alone at night" or "be wary of weirdos in nightclubs" or "never go Hackney" ... all fair methods to ensure their own safety. But dressing a certain way shouldn't be one of those things, and anyone who works in policing or legal professions should be struck off immediately if one of the questions they ask is how short the victim's skirt was.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Those steps should be "don't walk home alone at night" or "be wary of weirdos in nightclubs" or "never go Hackney" ... all fair methods to ensure their own safety. But dressing a certain way shouldn't be one of those things, and anyone who works in policing or legal professions should be struck off immediately if one of the questions they ask is how short the victim's skirt was.

Absolutely but apparently you can ask the victim this in court and even show everyone what underwear she was wearing and pass it around because clearly wearing certain knickers=no means yes