[The Grinch]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why? Why are they different?

Because one is they want to be the right sex and know that’s what they want, even from being children. One is an illness that can be helped with.

I provided proof of why trans isn’t an illness yet you ignore it because they are trans and it doesn’t suit your space of mind.

[Liam-]

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Because one is they want to be the right sex and know that’s what they want, even from being children. One is an illness that can be helped with.

How is believing you're in the wrong sexed body any different to believing you're in the wrong size? Why is only one of these an illness?

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

to demonise and dehumanise trans people

I'm not demonising or dehumanising them. This stigmatisation of people with mental disorders is sad.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

So because not all gay people agree with you , therefore it's "demonising" & "nonsense" ?? . You just want a hive mind set of followers.

A lesbian is basically told she's 'transphobic' for not wanting to date a biological man aka trans woman , that's what it's come to now . Yet you say they're "dehumanising tans" ?!.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Bullying by teachers is extremely common. Sadly.

I can testify to that at Primary School.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So because not all gay people agree with you , therefore it's "demonising" & "nonsense" ?? . You just want a hive mind set of followers.

A lesbian is basically told she's 'transphobic' for not wanting to date a biological man aka trans woman , that's what it's come to now . Yet you say they're "dehumanising tans" ?!.

Nobody should be telling anybody else what their sexual preferences should be imo.

Like in your example a lesbian isn't Transphobic for not wanting to date a Transwoman imo, however being hostile to her for being a Transwoman would be Transphobic.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Liam-

By the time the reaction has been ‘gauged’ it’ll be too late, they still will have told potentially abusive, or neglectful parents something they can use against a child.

If they find out through other circumstances then yes, it’s difficult but it’ll happen eventually, a school has no right or basis to reveal irrelevant sensitive information about a student to anybody, unless they’re in danger, or being hurt in any way.

I find it troubling that you think its better for parents to find out by second hand means, rather than a discussion with another adult face to face about their child.

What do you think the parents will do once they hear it from outside sources....ring the school!!!! The scene is then set as the parent will be angry or upset that other people in school community knew before them, and the discussion will go downhill from there...the teachers hands were tied, but they will be in the firing line

[Parmy]

Lesbians are being attacked by trans activists, because lesbians don't want to share toilets with men.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The scene is then set as the parent will be angry or upset that other people in school community knew before them, and the discussion will go downhill from there...the teachers hands were tied, but they will be in the firing line

Agreed, as I said before I find the idea that a teen could be living a "double life" at school and it not get back to their parents more or less immediately very, very doubtful and if those parents do end up having issues, and then find out that the school kept information from them about their child, the trust is completely gone from that parent-school relationship and so anythignt he school could have done to support or help that child in their home environment is actually drastically reduced. The parents are not going to want to hear anything they have to say -- when they might have been able to help.

[Liam-]

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

"Invade their personal life" - if they're openly trans at school then it's not their personal life, it's their public life. And thus for the school to not openly discuss that with parents, they would be actively engaging in keeping an aspect of that child's openly public school social life "a secret" from their family.

I agree that they shouldn't send an announcement email for no reason at all but the idea that it should be "kept hush hush" during communication with parents is bizarre. What pronouns should the school use in communication with the parents? What name should they use at parents evening if Kylie is known to them on a daily basis as Kevin?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

Yep.

There's not even any point in saying the same **** over and over again because Liam just likes to gaslight and pretend women don't really care about our rights, we just hate transpeople existing......because that's much more likely isn't it? We can't possibly care about girls and women being put in dangerous and unfair positions in sport no no no it must be that we hate transwomen. We couldn't possibly be concerned for vulnerable womens safety in prisons or rape crisis shelters or for girls and women where they might be in a state of undress like changing rooms etc, nope just hate transwomen........

Pointless.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

private life

Private Life!

Originally Posted by Liam-

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

Do you think a school should also keep it secret if a child is sticking their fingers down their throat after every meal? Or if they're taking drugs, even if those drugs don't currently cause them overt health or personal issues?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

They need to bring back corporal punishment

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

corporal punishment

Corporal Punishment!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Youtube video

[arista]

2 Trans are on
tonights 8PM Naked Education Ch4HD

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

its kind of cut and paste reply from twitter territory...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

Yes, if a child is being bullied, shows signs of abuse, shows signs of drug use, shows signs of deteriorating health, they are all appropriate things to notify parents over, because not doing so could be detrimental, being forced to notify parents if they overhear a student or their friends referring to them by a different name or pronouns, is not now, or ever be an appropriate thing to get involved in because it’s got nothing to do with them or their duties.

I haven’t said anywhere that all parents will abuse their children at all and you know that, I’ve very clearly said that these kids will be exposed to the possibility of abuse and that should be what people are concerned about, not parents so called rights to know and control absolutely everything about their child, it is not a schools place to put children to potentially abusive or negligent parents and it never will be

[Parmy]

A trans child is likely to suffer everything you have listed above Liam. So the school can then phone the parents to come in for a chat to discuss what's causing it.

[Oliver_W]

People who identify as trans have a high co-morbodity rate with other mental disorders, and there's also a correlation with sexual abuse, particularly with girls who identify as boys or nonbinary.