[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

Yep.

There's not even any point in saying the same **** over and over again because Liam just likes to gaslight and pretend women don't really care about our rights, we just hate transpeople existing......because that's much more likely isn't it? We can't possibly care about girls and women being put in dangerous and unfair positions in sport no no no it must be that we hate transwomen. We couldn't possibly be concerned for vulnerable womens safety in prisons or rape crisis shelters or for girls and women where they might be in a state of undress like changing rooms etc, nope just hate transwomen........

Pointless.