[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I can understand them protecting their community. But no one should be attacking people with weapons. And that goes for both sides.

Yep
And neither side should be intimidating the other either.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Its awful. I really hope he's ok

He was giving it the big come on, and they came on..half his own fault tbh.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I wouldn't be too sympathetic or willing to excuse the behaviour of the Asian crowds in Birmingham yesterday. Fair enough that they feel very threatened by recent events but given that the reports of a far right rally there were false there is no excuse for them then acting threateningly to random pub goers, a Sky news camera crew and an LBC reporter. That's not defending your community

Exactly
It's just adding more fuel to the fire , and this goes for the far right aswell... attacking and intimidating random Asian ,and other races have nothing to do with any of this. That is brain dead behaviour.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yep
And neither side should be intimidating the other either.

Yes exactly. I agree.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He was giving it the big come on, and they came on..half his own fault tbh.

That may be true, but he could have died. It's a bit ove there top, I think?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes exactly. I agree.

Except you don’t agree though do you, you’ve made it clear you think the racist rioters are entirely justified, you’re only now concerned because the brown people those thugs are targeting are coming together to defend themselves and their families

[Beso]

View from inside birmingham pub, you can see him giving it the bigun, and you also see muslims stopping the attack. Further in the video it skips to the workman having to seek refuge in a ditch to save himself from a beating..muslims also say that's enough, but some call him a white ****, which is racist.


https://youtu.be/GZSBjX5gWPQ?si=7pJpY0cuRXz9TXNB

[Liam-]

Never mind the myth of two tier policing, how about two tier worry and concern

[Beso]

2 tier policing isnt a myth, video one in this thread proves that.

2tier policing doesnt just mean white brits get treated differently.it also means you will wait weeks if you are burgled to see a copoer, if you actually do see one..but if a tesco or something asks for assistance they are straight round.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The racism and violence is ok, but not the DV?

None of it's okay, hence the NO GOOD PEOPLE.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Top post on the Birmingham reddit atm is some wise words from a local Muslim

Finally common sense

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Except you don’t agree though do you, you’ve made it clear you think the racist rioters are entirely justified, you’re only now concerned because the brown people those thugs are targeting are coming together to defend themselves and their families

There are thugs and aggressors on both sides, not all of the "brown people" are defending themselves or anyone else.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are thugs and aggressors on both sides, not all of the "brown people" are defending themselves or anyone else.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Except you don’t agree though do you, you’ve made it clear you think the racist rioters are entirely justified, you’re only now concerned because the brown people those thugs are targeting are coming together to defend themselves and their families

I don’t think Vanessa or anyone else on here (bar some trolls) believe this. I think this is the narrative that the extreme left push to try and diminish and demonise the very understandable point that others believe in.

Vanessa is an immigrant right? I am too and most of us who post on here who are deemed right wing extremists or racist or xenophobic come from very mixed backgrounds. Most of us aren’t posting just cause we see **** on the internet and get mind controlled by it, it’s things we have experienced in person

For a community that is so against judgment and labelling, the left sure does love to label anything that is not what they believe, racist or ignorant or xenophobic or transphobic etc

As someone who is queer and genuinely bang in the middle with my political beliefs, it’s sad to see that there are so many of my lgbt family members ready to attack and demonize someone just for having a different opinion

We know who the trolls are. We know they are ignorant and hateful. But not everyone who thinks they have a valid point is a piece of ****

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Did you see the guy who got hit with the 3 bricks? He was caught because the following day, the police were called out to his house on DV allegations.

Sadly the same mechanism as "Derby Day DV" I imagine - when big rival teams play against each other, there's a corresponding uptick in domestic violence in whichever area the teams cover. Blokes coming home full of adrenaline and rage and taking it out on their family. Stats also show that there's no significant difference whether it's win/lose/draw ... it's literally just amped-up thugs on the comedown.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I don’t think Vanessa or anyone else on here (bar some trolls) believe this. I think this is the narrative that the extreme left push to try and diminish and demonise the very understandable point that others believe in.

Vanessa is an immigrant right? I am too and most of us who post on here who are deemed right wing extremists or racist or xenophobic come from very mixed backgrounds. Most of us aren’t posting just cause we see **** on the internet and get mind controlled by it, it’s things we have experienced in person

For a community that is so against judgment and labelling, the left sure does love to label anything that is not what they believe, racist or ignorant or xenophobic or transphobic etc

As someone who is queer and genuinely bang in the middle with my political beliefs, it’s sad to see that there are so many of my lgbt family members ready to attack and demonize someone just for having a different opinion

We know who the trolls are. We know they are ignorant and hateful. But not everyone who thinks they have a valid point is a piece of ****

The backlash against non-white-people and uprising against immigration in supposed response to the tragic murder of three little girls is one of the most clear-cut examples of real world xenophobia in recent memory. It is the actual textbook definition.

[Liam-]

Sorry, but once you’re very clearly taking your references and ‘opinions’ from the likes of Britain First and other far right online trolls like Vanessa has shown she is doing on this very thread, we are allowed to draw conclusions from that, this forced ‘both sides’ narrative just doesn’t work when we can see what’s happening with our eyes and the people that are justifying it and even supporting it, which people on here are

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I don’t think Vanessa or anyone else on here (bar some trolls) believe this. I think this is the narrative that the extreme left push to try and diminish and demonise the very understandable point that others believe in.

Vanessa is an immigrant right? I am and most of us who post on here who are deemed right wing extremists or racist or xenophobic come from very mixed backgrounds. Most of us aren’t posting just cause we see **** on the internet and get mind controlled by it, it’s things we have experienced in perso

For a community that is so against judgment and labelling, the left sure does love to label anything that is not what they believe, racist or ignorant or xenophobic or transphobic et

As someone who is queer and genuinely bang in the middle with my political beliefs, it’s sad to see that there are so many of my lgbt family members ready to attack and demonize someone just for having a different opinion

We know who the trolls are. We know they are ignorant and hateful. But not everyone who thinks they have a valid point is a piece of ****

That's the biggest problem.
Anyone voicing concerns or different opinions is immediately labelled as a far right racist.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are thugs and aggressors on both sides, not all of the "brown people" are defending themselves or anyone else.

Both siding race riots is quite the take. Would one side be out there at all if the other wasn't rampaging through communities?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Both siding race riots is quite the take. Would one side be out there at all if the other wasn't rampaging through communities?

The horrible Muslims need to sit down and be quiet and let the coked up racists destroy their communities and assault their families, why can’t white people attempt to burn groups of people alive in peace?!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He was giving it the big come on, and they came on..half his own fault tbh.

None of the violence is excusable - there are an awful lot of half-truths being told though e.g. it was made out that this guy was attacked totally at random while just minding his own business - and yet you can plainly see several other white men in the video, none of them being attacked.

Again that's not to say there's any excuse for him being attacked like this and he's lucky (if it is the case) not to be seriously injured or dead... but it's obviously not a random bystander. And people know that but pretend it is purely to stoke up fear.

[bots]

i want to know what the rioters and those that support them expect to achieve. The immigrants are here and they can't do anything about that now. What does attacking them and or the police and or property achieve?

It's not going to change the mind of the government. What may change the governments mind is peaceful protest against the government, If the numbers are big enough, maybe they will listen. Violence and destruction wont achieve anything

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That's the biggest problem.
Anyone voicing concerns or different opinions is immediately labelled as a far right racist.

Far right not necessarily, racist not entirely.

Xenophobic yes. Anyone spreading fear and scare stories about immigrants in the last few days is 100% being xenophobic.

Xenophobia
noun
1) A fear of strangers or foreigners.
2) A strong antipathy or aversion to strangers or foreigners.
3) A fear of foreigners or strangers.


Can you refute the above definition? You've expressed being fearful... you've made it clear who/what you are afraid of. That's it... that's the whole definition.

There's a common misconception that "xenophobic" and "racist" are synonymous -- I actually recall having quite a heated discussion about the distinction on this very forum several years ago. They're not the same thing.

Someone who is racist will no doubt be a xenophobic.

Someone who is xenophobic will almost certainly say things that are either intentionally or unintentionally racist.

But there is a subtle distinction in the reasoning.

(Either way it's bad reasoning)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i want to know what the rioters and those that support them expect to achieve. The immigrants are here and they can't do anything about that now. What does attacking them and or the police and or property achieve?

It's not going to change the mind of the government. What may change the governments mind is peaceful protest against the government, If the numbers are big enough, maybe they will listen. Violence and destruction wont achieve anything

They believe that it'll force the government to stop further immigration "better" and crack down on asylum seekers / limit numbers more etc.

Usually peddling myths like "the country's FULL"

...and failing to realise that if we halt or reduce net migration our aging population will economically destroy the country. Tee hee. . They won't even "get it" then though they'll just blame immigrants for that, too. Or maybe disabled people or something.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Far right not necessarily, racist not entirely.

Xenophobic yes. Anyone spreading fear and scare stories about immigrants in the last few days is 100% being xenophobic.

Xenophobia
noun
1) A fear of strangers or foreigners.
2) A strong antipathy or aversion to strangers or foreigners.
3) A fear of foreigners or strangers.


Can you refute the above definition? You've expressed being fearful... you've made it clear who/what you are afraid of. That's it... that's the whole definition.

There's a common misconception that "xenophobic" and "racist" are synonymous -- I actually recall having quite a heated discussion about the distinction on this very forum several years ago. They're not the same thing.

Someone who is racist will no doubt be a xenophobic.

Someone who is xenophobic will almost certainly say things that are either intentionally or unintentionally racist.

But there is a subtle distinction in the reasoning.

(Either way it's bad reasoning)

The stories are all true. Call it how you like.