[Crimson Dynamo]

Ministers should set aside the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and deport foreign criminals, a Labour MP has said.

Jonathan Brash, the MP for Hartlepool, said the Government should exercise its “perfectly legitimate” right to deport criminals by saying ECHR Article 8 rights to a family life do not apply in such cases.

He is thought to be the first Labour MP to publicly declare that the Government should ignore the ECHR in order to return convicted foreign criminals back to their home countries.

Many have used (exploited) Article 8 of the ECHR, which protects the right to respect for private and family life.

A Pakistani paedophile, who was jailed for child sex offences but escaped removal from the UK as it would be “unduly harsh” on his children.

Sri Lankan sex offender allowed to stay in Britain because he is gay
Paedophile described as ‘danger to community’ argues deportation would breach his rights under ECHR

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...p-attack-echr/

[user104658]

In principle I think countries should deal with their own criminals. I have some hesitance if deporting is effectively a death sentence, mostly because it'll become a slippery slope argument - i.e. if we'll deport knowing a death sentence is likely, why not just have our own death sentence.

Of course...

Not here for any hypocrisy on this sort of policy. If we're going to deport criminals to their country of origin, then we have to accept British criminals detained abroad to be sent back to the UK. Which includes for example, Shamima Begum. But we already know how many TiBBers feel about that argument, from multiple threads.

I can see there being plenty of "We don't want your criminals but we don't want you to send us ours!" with very little self-awareness of the entitlement involved in that.

[bots]

i think in the UK it's just a method for lawyers to make more money. There would be years of appeals for each case and the cost is all going in one direction

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

In principle I think countries should deal with their own criminals. I have some hesitance if deporting is effectively a death sentence, mostly because it'll become a slippery slope argument - i.e. if we'll deport knowing a death sentence is likely, why not just have our own death sentence.

Of course...

Not here for any hypocrisy on this sort of policy. If we're going to deport criminals to their country of origin, then we have to accept British criminals detained abroad to be sent back to the UK. Which includes for example, Shamima Begum. But we already know how many TiBBers feel about that argument, from multiple threads.

I can see there being plenty of "We don't want your criminals but we don't want you to send us ours!" with very little self-awareness of the entitlement involved in that.

Yep exactly. I also agree that criminals should be deported but fair is fair.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

i think in the UK it's just a method for lawyers to make more money. There would be years of appeals for each case and the cost is all going in one direction

the ECHR is just a money making exercise for the legal trade

[bots]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the ECHR is just a money making exercise for the legal trade

labour won't come out of the ECHR, having been very vocal in criticizing the tories for making moves. However this is "new" labour, i suppose anything is possible

[Crimson Dynamo]

In 2023 a Gambian man who raped a woman at knifepoint was allowed to
remain in the UK. He had arrived on a visitor visa in 2007 and spent the next
15 years dealing drugs in Edinburgh. Despite laws that state foreign nationals
convicted in our courts should be deported, he successfully argued he should be
allowed to stay on human rights grounds. A tribunal found that, if returned to
his home country, he would ‘experience genuine difficulties being able to access
a regular supply of his necessary medications’. He would also face a ‘real risk
of social -isolation and stigmatisation’ given that he’s a rapist.

[arista]

Yes
Labours
Jonathan Brash MP.

Joining what the Conservatives
and Reform UK demand

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the ECHR is just a money making exercise for the legal trade

Ain't that the truth...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ain't that the truth...

As you'll know Livia the money "generated" by cases involving the ECHR are an absolute pittance when compared to areas like corporate law, real eastate law, intellectual property law and litigation ... so no it's obviously not the truth. In fact it's a nonsensical claim. Because it's simply not where the money is. It is, in fact, a piss poor example of a revenue stream for the legal trade.

Being made out to be a pot of gold. come on now.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

As you'll know Livia the money "generated" by cases involving the ECHR are an absolute pittance when compared to areas like corporate law, real eastate law, intellectual property law and litigation ... so no it's obviously not the truth. In fact it's a nonsensical claim. Because it's simply not where the money is. It is, in fact, a piss poor example of a revenue stream for the legal trade.

Being made out to be a pot of gold. come on now.

Yet another area where you've set yourself up as an expert. YOU come on now...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yet another area where you've set yourself up as an expert. YOU come on now...

He will be blaming it all on "the billionaires" next

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yet another area where you've set yourself up as an expert. YOU come on now...

No attempt at an actual counterpoint though? No? Shocked.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

He will be blaming it all on "the billionaires" next

Blaming what on the billionares.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

He will be blaming it all on "the billionaires" next

I can barely wait for the next self-indulgent pontification while he calls us all fools.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can barely wait for the next self-indulgent pontification while he calls us all fools.

Luckily for you, it's highly unlikely to be long before there's an opportunity .

[Crimson Dynamo]

A convicted Iranian sex offender has avoided deportation because drink and drug use have
made him distrust authority.

Judges said the Iranian would be likely to behave in a “hostile” way if questioned by
airport immigration officers in Tehran, because of his distrust of officialdom.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Should Britain pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights?


Yes 91%


No 9%

Total votes: 208,247

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Should Britain pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights?


Yes 91%


No 9%

Total votes: 208,247

Daily Telegraph poll only a fool would consider a poll taken by a publication with a clear established leaning to have any relevance to general public sentiment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Daily Telegraph poll only a fool would consider a poll taken by a publication with a clear established leaning to have any relevance to general public sentiment.

I am glad you found it relevant

[bots]

isn't the telegraph categorised as MSM?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

isn't the telegraph categorised as MSM?

I would say so but not their readers, they like you are members of the public

[bots]

but the readers will have been indoctrinated by reading the fake MSM, which makes their responses trash. We also don't know the veracity of the poll results. Were all the responses an AI bot?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bots

but the readers will have been indoctrinated by reading the fake MSM, which makes their responses trash. We also don't know the veracity of the poll results. Were all the responses an AI bot?

I guess you could contact the DT and let us know what you find out, cheers

[bots]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

I guess you could contact the DT and let us know what you find out, cheers

why would i do that, i don't believe their poll, you are the one quoting it